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Racial balance 2012 version?

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Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#1 - 2012-07-21 19:45:01 UTC
Long store short, I just came back to the game and brought a friend with me which has not played before. We will most likely be participating in some rather diverse activities, mostly PVE, some PVP, trying out all the new content ranging from wormholes to incursions to faction warfare. Will also most likely move in to 0.0 in a while too.

So any info on how the different races are currently balanced or reccomendations on what ships to aim for is much appriciated. Couple of years ago pretty much everyone got reccomended that they'd aim for a Drake first but I'm somehow getting the impression this might not be the case anymore?

Preferrably aimed at my friend since he's the brand new one.
Mekhana
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-07-21 20:23:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Mekhana
IMHO:

Nyx and Erebus are the top with Aeon and Avatar second.

Carriers go Archon mainly and Thanathos.

Abaddons (Up to 50km range with pulse, superb armor tank) and Maelstrom (shield tank and best alpha) for battleships.

Drakes (too much EHP for a ship of it's price tag and size, does OK DPS with AMLs)) and Canes for battlecruisers (high dps and does great at all ranges) when armor use Harbinger (tank and well rounded) and armor canes (high dps and utility mid slots)

Ruptures are the best cruisers, hands down.

Trashers for destroyers.

Gallente have the best frigates right now with exception of faction ones, especially their assault frigates.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3 - 2012-07-21 20:47:30 UTC
Just about anything is good if you fly it right. Personaly I love gal blaster boats from frigs to battleships.
Reicine Ceer
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-21 20:56:39 UTC
This is all gonna come down to personal taste, and for a new character, i'd maybe suggest getting the core competency certs up to at LEAST 3, preferably 4/5. Other than that, fly wat you find FUN! :)
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#5 - 2012-07-21 21:09:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
It really depends on specifics on what you want to do. True, all races have some viable ships, but to sum it up in a nutshell:

Amarr: Good Capitals and BS, but lacking in the smaller ship department. Probably the least versatile race. Very well viable in certain parts of space, but can't adapt well.
Caldari: Lots of shoddy ships, their caps aren't great, but then, there's the Drake and Tengu, which are among the best in their classes. Their frigates aren't bad either since very recently.Rokh started to see some fleet use too.
Gallente: Good frigs. Their lineup is a bit specialized for certain situations until caps, where they shine again.
Minmatar: Flexible, fast, high DPS and good damage projection on all subcaps, but their caps aren' great.

I'd probably suggest Minmatar or Caldari for all the fields you're trying to cover.
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Mishra Ninghor
The Scarlet Storm
#6 - 2012-07-21 21:10:58 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:

I'd probably suggest Minmatar or Caldari for all the fields you're trying to cover.


Which one is more fleet friendly? Guessing anything rocket based is still shunned?
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-21 21:13:54 UTC
That is a long list of stuff you want to get into and if you really want to do it all, you can't really go wrong with any racial choice.

In terms of PvE, the caldari line (drake (-> raven) -> tengu) is still going strong and is overshadowed only by the expensive faction stuff. But all races have capable PVE ships.

In terms of PvP, I think it depends on the scale and on the purpose. On small scale, shield nano meta reigns supreme at the moment, and Amarr ships seem to struggle a little bit. But they also have excellent battleship(s) for the large scale. In null, wars are currently waged primarily with Maelstorms, Abaddons, Rokhs, T3 cruisers, some oddball tier 3 BC gangs and the everpresent drakes. In WHs, its about T3s and faction stuff, FW is about small ships mostly etc.

I think currently two examples of decent choices would be going all out minmatar or training hybrids and getting both gallente and caldari ships for some diversity.

But overall you can't really make a mistake, all races have some decent ships across the tier/tech ranges.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#8 - 2012-07-21 21:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
Mishra Ninghor wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:

I'd probably suggest Minmatar or Caldari for all the fields you're trying to cover.


Which one is more fleet friendly? Guessing anything rocket based is still shunned?



Nope - as a matter of fact Drake blobs are the most commonly seen fleets. CFC (that's goonswarm and friends) make heavy use of Minmatar BS.

More fleet friendly? I'd probably say Caldari - most bigger alliances wont turn away a drake to do some DPS and soak up a substantial amount of damage. With Minmatar fleet doctrines, it depends on the alliance.

Also, you said you wanted to do WH stuff, and especially when doing lower Tier WH's (assuming just you and your friend want to make a daytrip on your own), the Tengu would be best for that.
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Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-21 21:25:08 UTC
Mishra Ninghor wrote:
Large Collidable Object wrote:

I'd probably suggest Minmatar or Caldari for all the fields you're trying to cover.


Which one is more fleet friendly? Guessing anything rocket based is still shunned?

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#10 - 2012-07-21 21:38:38 UTC
Winmatar is still winmatar.

Gallente capitals still rock.

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Bree Okanata
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-07-22 01:15:24 UTC
Honestly I would go for Minmatar. If you were planning to focus solely on PvE, then Caldari would be a great choice with their missile boats (The Drake is awesome, CNR is beast and I have heard nothing but good things about the Tengu.) Speccing into missiles offers very little flexibility in PvP though and requires a LOT of training to get into something other than the 10-15 missile ships available.
If you plan on doing any PvP at all, I would go Minmatar. They do fine in PvE, but are a lot better suited for PvP than the Caldari missile ships.
Fager
Xel'Naga Corp
#12 - 2012-07-22 03:34:52 UTC
PvE: Winmatar for PvE subcap(Vargus+Mach). Followed by Lasers (Paladin/NM) for south and southwest EvE PvE, then you got CNR/Tengu and droneboats slightly behind, mostely due to missile/drone travel time.
PvE: Missiles = Easy, Guns=Better Max performance, Winmatar = Guns, no Cap, DMGtype selection.

Cap PvP: Amarr/Gal - i think mostely due to Armor PROs vs Shield CONs inbalance (witch is better these days granted) and due to the fact that armor has been better in CAP for a very long time, most built ships and trained cap pilots are armor.
Maybe also the fact that Caldaries Caps are okish and minmatars suck? Making for alot more good armor caps then shield caps avalible so even if shields are better balanced today theres little reason to retrain it.

Sub-Cap PvP: pretty damn balanced these days, you see Drakes, Hurricanes, Tengu etc as usual, but thanks to the new shield tank mod and hybrid buff alot of new ships are shining brighter. All races got some cool sub cap ships to play with.

Please be aware that these are my rough estimated view on it shortened down. I dont fly Caps for example. Most of these opinions are based on what ive read on forums, battleclinic and heard from other players ingame. Some will definetly disagree with me, but on a grand scale i think these views reflect to atleast some degree the genereal concensus of todays Race balance on these forums.
Harold Tuphlos
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-22 04:55:22 UTC
Looking at all the stuff you want to try going for drakes is going to cover the most in a single ship, but you will want to grab some other ships as well. Thrashers are a very good ship that can be trained into quickly, which also gets you rifters.
Tallianna Avenkarde
Pyre of Gods
#14 - 2012-07-22 05:03:36 UTC
Drake:- ATM why train anything else

PVE:- Duh. Can do Most missions, rat in most space, and can do low end (up to c3) wh's
PvP:- Durrakes are fairly versatile fleet ships (CFC permamwd style) Makes a great nano bc (podla style) and general pvp (brick style)

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#15 - 2012-07-22 08:09:16 UTC
In 0.0 fleets, you see Minmatar ships every single day, Amarr ships are pretty common (less so now than back when several major alliances flew Abaddons as primary doctrine), and now Caldari is making a rise in the form of Drakes, Tengus and Rokhs.

Minmatar will always be extremely useful as the race's design philosophy (range dictation and adaptability) are both extremely critical in PvP. Amarr make good "brute force" ships, they tend to be like brick walls that shoot bricks at their targets, but are extremely inflexible. Caldari is pretty meh with the exception of the previously mentioned ships and a few extras in every area except EWAR. Gallente has a few ships useful in fleets, but the nature of blaster / drone focus makes them subpar in fleet warfare and basically relegated to small gang environments. Their support oriented ships, like the Arazu, do have niche roles however.
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#16 - 2012-07-22 09:17:58 UTC
Cool store bro.

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Irya Boone
The Scope
#17 - 2012-07-22 22:39:37 UTC
need a serious balancing for the gallente fleet ( specially the drone boats ) please ccp

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MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2012-07-22 22:41:45 UTC
tornados

actually all tier 3 BCs

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