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So uhhh, we're still calling these "expansions"?
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Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#1 - 2011-10-10 21:48:41 UTC
Quote:
ex·pan·sion   [ik-span-shuhn]
noun
1. the act or process of expanding.
2. the state or quality of being expanded.
3. the amount or degree of expanding.
4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year.


Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion".

Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#2 - 2011-10-10 21:49:46 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
Quote:
ex·pan·sion   [ik-span-shuhn]
noun
1. the act or process of expanding.
2. the state or quality of being expanded.
3. the amount or degree of expanding.
4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year.


Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion".

Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.


Yes, they're expanding tatical horizons.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-10-10 21:49:50 UTC
A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships...

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#4 - 2011-10-10 21:54:16 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships...


That's great and I agree, all of these changes are incredibly long overdue. But it's not an expansion, it's an update. Tomato tomato maybe, but it seems silly to keep calling these expansions when very, very few of them actually are.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#5 - 2011-10-10 21:55:21 UTC
Also, Zulus blog mentioned something about new Ewar drones and T2 mods - there: expansion.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Rion Deteisan
Forged Prophets
#6 - 2011-10-10 22:05:44 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
Rico Minali wrote:
A short time ago, in a galaxy very very close, many people cried out for the next expansion to be focused on fixes, balancing and spaceships...


That's great and I agree, all of these changes are incredibly long overdue. But it's not an expansion, it's an update. Tomato tomato maybe, but it seems silly to keep calling these expansions when very, very few of them actually are.


I agree.. these are not expansions. These tend to be small adjustments of numbers on a spreadsheet mixed with some delayed content that should of been released the "expansion" before.

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EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-10 22:08:40 UTC
Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!!
EnderCapitalG
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-10 22:08:46 UTC
Heh.
Fix Lag
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-10 22:18:12 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Heh.

CCP mostly sucks at their job, but Veritas is a pretty cool dude.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#10 - 2011-10-10 22:30:16 UTC
I too like to play semantic shell-games.

How did you Veterans start?
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#11 - 2011-10-10 22:31:57 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!!


ACTUALLY I do not, thanks to this brilliant invention called the internet I am able to access thousands upon thousands of books and documents electronically!
Psychophantic
#12 - 2011-10-10 22:32:07 UTC
EnderCapitalG wrote:
Look at me, I have a dictionary, CCP ARE DUM!11!!


Still haven't gotten laid?
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#13 - 2011-10-10 22:33:42 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Also, Zulus blog mentioned something about new Ewar drones and T2 mods - there: expansion.


This just in, Blizzard announces new pair of boots for WoW, calls it "The Clogs Of Despair" Expansion which will hit stores early next year for the low price of $19.99.

NOPE not an expansion.

Disclaimer: I have never nor will ever played WoW. Though I did play Lineage 2 for a couple months.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#14 - 2011-10-10 22:37:08 UTC
-new nebulae
-new cyno/jump
-new gun firing effects
-time dilation
-3 other CQs
-probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated

the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section.

The Drake is a Lie
Cage Shadownsun
Doomheim
#15 - 2011-10-10 22:45:04 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
Quote:
ex·pan·sion   [ik-span-shuhn]
noun
1. the act or process of expanding.
2. the state or quality of being expanded.
3. the amount or degree of expanding.
4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year.


Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion".

Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.


I think it's more of a familiar term than anything else. Smaller updates such as patches usually contain smaller, less significant or time-consuming changes/additions, while expansions themselves require a much greater dedication or affects the overall gameplay much more, overall. So while it may not be an "Expansion" in that anything is being added (though they have mentioned there are things likely to be added), it's an "Expansion" in MMO terms in that it's not small enough to be considered a patch.

Does that make any sense?
Kengutsi Akira
Doomheim
#16 - 2011-10-10 22:50:14 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
Quote:
ex·pan·sion   [ik-span-shuhn]
noun
1. the act or process of expanding.
2. the state or quality of being expanded.
3. the amount or degree of expanding.
4. an expanded, dilated, or enlarged portion or form of a thing: The present article is an expansion of one he wrote last year.


Don't get me wrong, the changes, fixes and patches and general hint of "redemption" coming out of CCP lately are pretty cool, but why are we still calling this an "expansion"? Back in my day the word "expansion" defined some sort of large package of additional content that expanded the game world in whatever way. But let's be honest, the list of things planned to be included in the winter "expansion" are at best some patches and hotfixes long overdue, and at worst delivering only a small fraction of what was promised in the last "expansion".

Now I'm not saying don't release these changes and fixes, on the contrary, please do. But part of the reason people are getting fed up is that CCP keeps using buzzwords like "expansion" and delivering mainly tweaks and code changes with no actual content. Granted, releasing the 3 remaining Captain's Quarters is a three-fold increase in new content over the Incarna "expansion" but it's still not enough to warrant calling it such. So come on, just stick to "Winter Update", it's much more accurate, compelling and non-infuriating.


Yes, expansion gives it a feeling of something special that adds on to the game. Not bug fixes that should already have been taken care of years ago instead of using EVE to Beta the WoD technology. (And thats not speculation, they wont admit it to us but Ive seen on their WoD page where they are soothing the WoD players that Incarna is a "prototype")

"Is it fair that CCP can get away with..." :: checks ownership on the box ::

Yes
Zverofaust
Ascetic Virtues
#17 - 2011-10-10 22:55:04 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
-new nebulae
-new cyno/jump
-new gun firing effects
-time dilation
-3 other CQs
-probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated

the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section.


None of these are ******* "expansions" these are tweaks and updates. Christ, is everyone ******** and forgot what expansions used to actually be? These wouldn't even be called DLCs. Episodes of Liberty City was an expansion, it added hours and hours of new gameplay, items, stories and characters. Black Ops was an expansion, it added new maps and weapons. Shivering Isles was an expansion, it added an entirely new gameworld. Rise of the Samurai is an expansion, it adds an entire new campaign. A couple of updated effects, bug fixes and rebalancing tweaks and some minor content to add to something started months ago is *not* an expansion.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2011-10-10 23:04:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Solstice Project
Post retracted.

After thinking about it, he actually has a point.

My bad. :)
Gogurt
#19 - 2011-10-10 23:13:06 UTC
Zverofaust wrote:
Xercodo wrote:
-new nebulae
-new cyno/jump
-new gun firing effects
-time dilation
-3 other CQs
-probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated

the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section.


None of these are ******* "expansions" these are tweaks and updates. Christ, is everyone ******** and forgot what expansions used to actually be? These wouldn't even be called DLCs. Episodes of Liberty City was an expansion, it added hours and hours of new gameplay, items, stories and characters. Black Ops was an expansion, it added new maps and weapons. Shivering Isles was an expansion, it added an entirely new gameworld. Rise of the Samurai is an expansion, it adds an entire new campaign. A couple of updated effects, bug fixes and rebalancing tweaks and some minor content to add to something started months ago is *not* an expansion.


Ok, there is a difference but

CCP is based in Iceland. Really if you think about it places like Haiti, Mexico, all of Africa, get a special pass on stuff like 'progress' 'accomplishment' 'expectation'. Why shouldn't Iceland? Because they're all white? What, are we all racists who will only give passes to colored people?
mkint
#20 - 2011-10-10 23:13:33 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
-new nebulae
-new cyno/jump
-new gun firing effects
-time dilation
-3 other CQs
-probably more NeX stuff and the shaders on all ships being updated

the list on the devblog wasn't ALL of it, just the balances and fixes section.

-nobody said we're getting nebulae this winter. Only word on it since fanfest was a dev post saying "not gonna be in Incarna."
-pretty sure a dev said turret effects aren't happening for winter.
-CQ's, wh0re st0re stuff, and graphics stuff = who the hell cares? I love it when devs focus on flash over substance and their games inevitably fail miserably.

so... 1 out of five.
And the other things that were promised mostly really are simply adjusting numbers in a spreadsheet. I wonder what the other 597 devs are doing.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.
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