EVE General Discussion

lol
its not so obvious if you keep getting it wrong!

do you even know what a "fanboi" is?
yeah and your 3 corp alt is not generic! ohh boy...
you are not too clever are you

Exept when his counterpoints were stupid, one sided and an obvius brainfart...

Anyhow, reported it anyway so this litter wont derail this topic... Damn trolls, ccp need to make a cave section here and implement prinesses ingame so they can kidnap them and hide in the caves!!

This is amazing idea (I agree), they still are T2 ships, meaning they should have bonus. At the moment they seems to be just T1 battleships what can just use jump drive nothing else.

Which is why they travel in gangs. Also, they have backup from the recon that's cynoing. Add the element of surprise and you have surprise buttsechs.

Maybe you'd rather have a brawling dps tankmachine that can warp cloaked?

i will enlighten you. You dont need to cloak in order to warp around. Many people has lived without them for ages and the killboard is full of such examples. You dont need that much dps believe it or not. The reason is very simple. Black ops jump, kill and warp out in literally seconds! You dont need more DPS when you kill targets very fast.
You just never have experinced what is like been jumped by 6/7 or more black ops. Believe me son, its totally one sided.
If 10 or more when there is 6 of you or so, you will all die!

PS: let me point something out to you. You obviously dont know this since you are looking at all the ships shields. You dont shield tank with a blackops fleet! You armor tank, cos you need all the mid slots for utilities! Another reason is cos your higher dps are your armor ships so you spider tank with drones and some internal rep or external(unusually thought)
Also check the resistance of the widow for armor. You maybe shocked!

Yes, sure.

http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=13283419
That was a gatecamp with multiple Battlecuisers, a T3 warped right before we bridged in. At leat one of them jumped with GCC into highsec. The neares gate is 100 AU away. The Battlereport/Related kills is messed up, because we reshiped and made a camp on the same gate.
Even with this big blob it took some time to kill the BCs. T3 with clovert subsystem dont do much damage.

http://spam.eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13282454

Personaly i think it's fun to bridge with the Blackops, but because of the low dps we often blob the enemies and i start to feel sorry for them. In the time we kill a couple of BCs, their friends can undock in Battleships and start killing us.
So it's kinda risky. Maybe we just need more proteus :D

BOs are a specialized Ship for a tiny part of PvP, that does not mean that they are underpowered.

Back from vacation and thought this thread could use some dev love.


Yes, Black Ops definitely need some attention; the main problem with them is the lack of role focus. Some (like the Redeemer or Window) are trying to achieve a purpose directly on the battlefield, similar with recons by having an electronic warfare or damage related bonus. On top of that, they also are trying to fulfill a fleet support role with their cyno capability, which is quite in contradiction with the previous one.

And they aren't great at both: their raw HP is quite lower than tech 1 battleships (and tech 2 resistance boosts aren't stellar either), have less turret and missile hardpoints than tech 1 counterparts and remain more expensive to run, which doesn't make them appealing for direct engagement purposes. They also lack autonomy in their support role, as they are quite short ranged, fuel hungry and this issue is amplified by their small fuel bay forcing them to rely on other ships to resupply frequently during an operation.

The current plan is to take one these two listed roles out of the Black Ops ship class and reshape them to do the remaining one well. If they are disruption ships using EW, they should have more presence on the battlefield for their pricetag. If they are support tools for surprise attacks and small gang movement into enemy space, then they should have the proper bay, range and tools to do so accordingly.

The role dropped out of the Black Ops would then be moved to a new class in the tech 2 battleship range to replace for the loss.

We acknowledge some entities out there are using Black Ops with great effect when backed up with the proper organization, structure and out-of-the-box thinking to make use of them in unorthodox situations. While we don't want to take that away, Black Ops should be more effective without such heavy commitment into them (a statistic query we ran at the beginning of this year shown there are more Titan than Block Ops pilot on TQ). They should be great force multiplier tools for small groups to take on larger ones by surprise, and should be able to do so relatively well without relying on a dedicated support structure.

So, when would this be coming out? Unfortunately, not for a while. As explained in the various blogs before, our current priority is to fix tech 1 ships as a whole before moving to more advanced hulls. That is because we need a solid frame of reference to rely on and compare hulls to before we can move to more delicate and complex ships, like Black Ops or tech 3 hulls.


Also don't forget this is just our long term plan for now, and things may change in the future. In all cases they are not forgotten, but will take time to get to.

Hope that helps!

Hope this isnt considered crossposting but i just wanted to point this thread at you, contains some suggestions regarding black ops I think you should see

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=135180&find=unread

leave black ops alone.