EVE General Discussion

Oh, and allow the lighting of covert cynos and bridging-to in hisec.

Just...well, just because.

Lets see.


Another concept abandoned to go send stupid modles up tied to balloons... GG CCp GG!!

lol
Is BE capable of a great efficinecy at it? Yes or No? Answer is obviously Yes.
So, remind me who does not know anothing about blops again
Just cos you suck at it, does not mean blops are crap

there is no trolling in what i said. I simply stated the fact!
And they dont always use redeemers. They also use sins and i have seen them using widows and panthers too.

Granted they are not as common as the redeemer. But you can also say the same for any ship class. There are always ships out there that are better than others and you have to cross train.

Cross train is a must. All my characters are cross trained across all races. Even now with all the buff, you still see people using the old ships and very few have switched to the buffed ships. Its an inherent part of eve cos there are simply things that work better than others in certain situations. You cant take a ship and expect it to work as good as the others in the same situations.

Ask yourself this question. Should all ships be expected to do as good as the others withing the same ship class? THATS IS NOT EVE and never has been! Why are other faction ships not used as much as others? Why are some carriers used more than others? Why are some supers used much more than others? Why some t3 crusers used more than others? Its all down to situations and tactics.

Also you should check out RK. They are good at fielding efficiently widows and getting nice kills. They are effectivly shown that widows can be used with different tactics.

Also i hav seen videos of solo panthers and you claim also to do well using panthers. Its all down to tactics and how you use them. They do not suck! It only means some are better than others in some situations.

Within the first 3 pages there is at least 5 people that have said that black ops do well atm. So is that means they are ALL trolls or do they happen to agree that they dont need a buff? Its not a troll, its a fact and the stats support it.

Check this out.
http://www.cyno.psych-corp.net/?a=kill_related&kll_id=29294
I dont know exactly whats their strategy here thought. Maybe they know something we dont know or they simly have the balls to do it anyway. Well done by Suddenly Spaceships XD. I got to admit I love this alliance name

LOL, so you think;
the sin is a good ship?
10 ppl finding it not needed to balance is representive
blobbing 2 maurauders with 15 BO is making them fine?

I do think the Sin is ok ship. Granted, it does not have the dps as the rest but that does not mean its not good. Its just is not as good as the rest. But every ship class in eve has the same. Some are good some are not as good. Even with carriers, supers, faction ships, t3 cruisers, battleships, battlecruisers, cruisers etc. In every ship class its the same story repeats.

Thats what blackops are really used for. its all about hot drop, kill and jump out.
They are not "really" meant vs large numbers BUT some entities like BE and others do hot drop vs 6 and even greater numbers. The truth been said, black ops are hit and run tactics and demoralising the enemy. They are not for POS attack or massive vs massive fleet fights. Thats not their intention.

The people that understand this, are very effective with them and the people that dont are bad at it. AAA has never been known for their ability to use black ops. "Maybe" when BE was part of them but that was long ago. This does not mean ofcource that they havent tried it, but you get my point!

Yes, black ops require high fuel consumption but they are small and can be cyno'd to a jammed system. This feature is really good. Their spider tanking ability to remote rep with drones and some remote repers or internal reppers as well as their ability to jump systems is a really good ability. They are not the muscle but a very effective herassment/snipping tool.

I must say thought, if i had the ability to move even MORE freely than now by having a much large jump range and a much lower fuel consumption, wouldnt i spend the whole day hot dropping everyone knowing that the chances of getting killed this way are lower and i can get a decent amout of kills? The answer is yes. But then everyone in eve will start doing the same thing and the game would turn into a terribly bad game! The only thing that keep this in check is, thats hard to pull due to the need for fuel and jump range. Otherwise i wouldnt even want to see eve after a few months and everyone trains black ops.

agree completely with this. Covert Ops cloaks are not needed, although it be nice not to erase the scan res penalty from cloaking devices.

Having to have 1-2 cloaky haulers and BO with cargo expanders for a deep insertion (lol) seems rather silly to me.

the dps and tank of the BO is fine. But I'd love to see people using BO more.

Another neat perk, which I think will probably make them OP, is having each have an ewar bonus. So a redeemer with a neuting bonus, panther with a web bonus and sin with a pointing range bonus. This would eliminate the need for recons on the fleet.

in the end, improve the BO in nearly any way and ill be happy.

A just a couple small changes like this would be nice. Covert cloak so they can warp around systems with their gang and, as you say, remove the speed bonus but - do it fully.

Entirely replace the ship skill bonus with fuel conservation and range bonuses based upon Black Ops skills.

5% fuel savings per level, 10% bonus to the base LY jump range. That maxes at 25% fuel savings and 3 LY base jump range at BO 5.

Net effect would be a range out to 6.75 LY with the ability to move ships more efficiently. 50% farther than they can go now - and using less fuel for the ships. Fuel use? For a bomber, at 5 BO, would be 300 fuel vs 400 and a recon/Blockade runner would be 1875 vs 2500. "nice" savings but you'd give up a small agility bonus (woopie)...

I think it'd make them much more appealing and functional while still keeping them outside the solo-pwnzj00 mobile that some want.

you defenetly dont know what you are talking about regarding black ops.

Obvious troll is far too obvious.

1/10.

Keep practising!