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T2BPO why they should be removed and how.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#781 - 2012-07-21 00:51:57 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ok, 30b ISK a month on 1 Trillion Isk of Capital still terrible.


They get trillion from their moons every month.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#782 - 2012-07-21 00:52:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Clueless as always? Goonies own all Tech moons and most of the Hulk BPOs. 1 + 1 = 2?

Compare something between 3.5-5 trilion to 0.1 trilion. Guess which one is higher. And by how much. I'll wait.
So, it's not 1+1=2.
It's more like 2+0.05=2.05 which ~= the 2 you began with, so who cares.

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Pipa Porto
#783 - 2012-07-21 00:53:13 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ok, 30b ISK a month on 1 Trillion Isk of Capital still terrible.


They get trillion from their moons every month.


Yes. And what in that Trillion Isk a month income would that make them take stupid pills and invest in Hulk BPOs instead of preparing for a future Tech nerf?

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#784 - 2012-07-21 00:55:04 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Yes. And what in that Trillion Isk a month income would that make them take stupid pills and invest in Hulk BPOs instead of preparing for a future Tech nerf?


They're planning on taking all Cobalt moons. They already own some of them.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#785 - 2012-07-21 00:55:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Pipa Porto wrote:
future Tech nerf?

More like next month's tech nerf Blink
And they were prepared. They took over Cobalt moons galore.
Allegedly.
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
They're planning on taking all Cobalt moons. They already own some of them.

I'm guessing they didn't bother buying T2 BPOs when they could use those ISK for ships to control new better sources of income.
Yarr. Or checkmate. Or yarrmate. Whatever.
Twisted

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Pipa Porto
#786 - 2012-07-21 00:57:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Yes. And what in that Trillion Isk a month income would that make them take stupid pills and invest in Hulk BPOs instead of preparing for a future Tech nerf?


They're planning on taking all Cobalt moons. They already own some of them.


That's not an answer to my question. What in their Trillion Isk a month income would make them decide to invest in Hulk BPOs?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#787 - 2012-07-21 01:05:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's not an answer to my question. What in their Trillion Isk a month income would make them decide to invest in Hulk BPOs?


They've known about the nerf a month or two. You asked why they would buy T2 BPOs they already own instead of taking all Cobalt moons from other alliances.

First: they don't need to buy those BPOs because they already own them.
Second: they are already taking all Cobalt moons from other alliances and have been doing quite some time.

But of course you should know about this or you're clueless about what your alliance is doing.
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#788 - 2012-07-21 01:08:25 UTC
If they KNEW about the nerf, since they're not completely clueless about EVE economics (at least some near the top know what they're doing), it means they ALSO knew that T2 BPOs will lose value BECAUSE of the moongoo//tech nerf, so they should have SOLD those BPOs while people were still valuing them much more highly.

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Pipa Porto
#789 - 2012-07-21 01:20:18 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
That's not an answer to my question. What in their Trillion Isk a month income would make them decide to invest in Hulk BPOs?


They've known about the nerf a month or two. You asked why they would buy T2 BPOs they already own instead of taking all Cobalt moons from other alliances.

First: they don't need to buy those BPOs because they already own them.
Second: they are already taking all Cobalt moons from other alliances and have been doing quite some time.

But of course you should know about this or you're clueless about what your alliance is doing.


1. You keep confusing Sniggwaffe (Alliance: Your Votes Don't Count) with other alliances.

2. Do you understand what opportunity cost is? The 100 Billion Isk each Hulk BPO represents is better invested in any number of other things. Why would they keep it invested in T2 BPOs?

3. If you have any evidence to suggest that Devs have leaked information inappropriately to anyone, please send that information to CCP's IA department. Otherwise baseless accusations of misconduct are annoying.

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-RubyPorto
Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#790 - 2012-07-21 01:26:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Akita T wrote:
Can you make up your mind ? Was it Hulk BPOs or tech moons ? Because the INCOME from a single tech moon overshadows the PROFIT of a single Hulk BPO, badly. And there's hundreds of tech moons but only dozens of Hulk BPOs.


Clueless as always? Goonies own all Tech moons and most of the Hulk BPOs. 1 + 1 = 2?


before you claimed Helicity owns the hulk bpos, now it is goons?

you are aware that helicity is in Shadow Cartel and we are NOT blue to goons.

so. which is it? :)

and i can assure you helicity doesnt have hulk bpos, we gank hulks because it is fun.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#791 - 2012-07-21 01:27:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
3. If you have any evidence to suggest that Devs have leaked information inappropriately to anyone, please send that information to CCP's IA department. Otherwise baseless accusations of misconduct are annoying.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1655270#post1655270

Lady Naween wrote:
you are aware that helicity is in Shadow Cartel and we are NOT blue to goons.


Helicity is friend of Goons = Shadow Cartel is friend of Goons.
Pipa Porto
#792 - 2012-07-21 01:35:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
3. If you have any evidence to suggest that Devs have leaked information inappropriately to anyone, please send that information to CCP's IA department. Otherwise baseless accusations of misconduct are annoying.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1655270#post1655270


I believe that they're referring to knowing that Tech would be nerfed at some point in the future. Some people made some educated guesses about what the nerf would look like. Those guesses being right doesn't mean that they knew anything.

This still doesn't explain why they'd ever bother to invest in T2 BPOs. Stop trying to drive the goalposts away from the topic into your insane conspiratorial ramblings.

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-RubyPorto
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#793 - 2012-07-21 01:35:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Dude, start recognizing highly transparent lies for the purposes of trolling and/or empty bragging based on common knowledge claimed to be insider info. You're embarrassing yourself and you don't even realize it.

Also, again, if they REALLY KNEW that tech would be nerfed, what do you think would be the convoluted thinking of NOT getting rid of as many T2 BPOs as possible ?

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Lady Naween
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#794 - 2012-07-21 01:39:31 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Helicity is friend of Goons = Shadow Cartel is friend of Goons.


LOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

of course.. hey i got some more tinfoil for you, i think you need it
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#795 - 2012-07-21 01:55:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Death star needs more Fuel than unfit towers,
there exist 5000 T2 BPOs of each type,
BPO`s have to be in the labs,
logic is stupid,
...Guides


Goons dont have any Hulk BPO`s



shar'ra phone home
Doktor Malinowka
Doomheim
#796 - 2012-07-21 01:57:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Doktor Malinowka
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
stuff.


trolling of unfunny ppl reimains unfunny
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#797 - 2012-07-21 15:25:11 UTC
Akita T wrote:
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
The ability to lock a blue print and still use it needs an urgent nerf in fact allowing a pos to produce from bp's inside a station is completely stupid too.

So, basically, you just want to remove the remote research and manufacture skills, and remove the ability to lock down stuff, and nothing else.


Removing BPO ability to be used while lock would be a good start to nerfing T2BPO's alongside a buff to inventions ME.
Brewlar Kuvakei
Adeptio Gloriae
#798 - 2012-07-21 15:27:57 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
This is a T2 BPO whine thread, not an OTEC whine thread. Keep your goalpost moving on topic.

The possibility that players might have a financial motive to put a bounty on a class of ship isn't relevant to the fact that T2 BPOs are horrible investments.

If you think they're too profitable, then there's an easy way to deal with it. Buy one and get rich.


Most important reason for Hulkageddon was to create those profits to Hulk BPO owners. It's very likely that Heicity and Goons owns most of the Hulk BPOs.


You tried this stupid argument before. A Hulk BPO is a terrible investment. It earns maybe 3b ISK a month on over 100b ISK of capital. Besides that, Hulk pricing is totally dominated by inventors, not BPO owners.

If you think T2 BPOs are too profitable and easy, why haven't you bought one?



I don't care if a T2BPO is worth billions I'd like to trade in my RP for one please. No body would moan if CCP sold T2BPO's for 100 billion isk the reason T2BPO were moronic was because they are a highly valuable item that was made available for very little effort which undermined the whole eve economy.

Make Eve real remove T2BPO.
shar'ra matcevsovski
Doomheim
#799 - 2012-07-21 16:07:25 UTC
Brewlar the Brain wrote:

I don't care if a T2BPO is worth billions I'd like to trade in my RP for one please. No body would moan if CCP sold T2BPO's for


1. again, that was never the case in eve, you could only particpate in a lottery, never be sure you would get the print, just a very small chance.
2. lol... YOU are the only one really moaning here, just you, a single guy and his alts.

shar'ra phone home
Akita T
Caldari Navy Volunteer Task Force
#800 - 2012-07-21 17:22:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Akita T
Brewlar Kuvakei wrote:
No body would moan if CCP sold T2BPO's for 100 billion isk

You mean, other than just about any active inventor, which are the people you're supposedly claiming you're trying to aid ?
You're kind of contradicting yourself.
Every additional T2 BPO lowers inventor market share, down to the point where no invention would be profitable anymore, and eventually even T2 BPO ownership would barely be worth more than T1 BPO ownership.

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