EVE General Discussion

Having just tried a new alt, i wonder about the tutorial set up of the game. It seems EVE could gain a lot of richness in terms of experiences if the very beginning was as difficult as the rest of the game; but instead, we get handed free ships and skill books and LOTS of money. Of course you don't need to utilize those beginning agents, but with them sitting in front of you it feels a bit idiotic to just ignore all that.

Why doesn't the training consist solely of "civilian" ships and modules, which would be useless for anyone except beginners and would not need any additional skills to operate.... there is not even a hint of any struggle in starting a new character here at the moment. Does this really need to be the case in order to draw in more new people? Seems like EVE people play because they enjoy challenges...(and ganking)

Could there be an option to start "hardcore' characters? Starting with only a rookie ship and a civilian miner somewhere in low-sec? New beginning characters having political affiliations with one of the small groups like Intaki Syndicate or Khanid? For such a difficult start there would need to be a 'carrot' as well, not sure what that could be.

Just wondering. Any comments would be welcome.

Just fly to lowsec immediately if thats what you want.

Your path in EVE is 100% self defined.

Dear god, did we run out of things to complain about?

Because people like people to get past the trial and pay them money?

The tutorials are basic training on how to play some aspects of the game. So it does not need to be hard it needs to be informative.



If it's the first time someone is doing the tutorials as a new player then the tutorials work well.

If it's an alt or you've played the game before the tutorials will not be doing their job properly because you already know most if not all of what they have to teach.

I've had alts before where I've just skipped the tutorials because doing them is so easy once you've done then before, It's really just going through the motions.

The Reward Response reflex in our brains works on a curve as well. Early in the game, rewards for achievements come quickly, but as you progress, they began to take longer and longer. This model is used in pretty much any game that has a level/skill progression table. Hook them with good feelings early, then wean them slowly until they become bitter vets.

Considering some of the common things you hear from people who don't play the game are "EVE is ridiculously complex and difficult" and "you can never catch up to the vets so WHY EVEN PLAY" this is probably a good thing

Figuring the objective of the tutorial is to tutor new players not chuck them into a pit of velociraptors

Velociraptors are the smart ones so they'll make a dinosaur pyramid to climb out soon enough

Those are tactics, not game mechanics.Tutorials are for teaching game mechanics.

Civilian ships won't be up to much with lvl 1's

You're just making a mountain out of a mole hill.

If you do the 5 tutorials and sold all the items that you loot and get from selling them quick, either as an item or reprocessed materials you will get just over 8 mill isk.

Now 8 mill in EvE is nothing, 1 +3 implant costs more than that.

New character that are not alts struggle to make isk in this game at the start, because they need implants, skill books as well as insurance (if used) ammo etc...

Now I bet when you start your alt you give it far more than 8 mill, so what are you actually moaning about?

I hope this is a Troll.

CCP is having enough problems holding onto players and the game already has the hardest learning curve of any MMO. And you want to make it harder?