Market Discussions

I often find myself wondering what the demographics of EVE are in respect to NAV. So I thought I would attempt to strike up a conversation with the wiser members of the forum about this subject.

As a guide to what I'd like to see covered in such a conversation, here are a few questions:

1. How wealthy are the richest players in EVE?

2. How is the total NAV of the EVE playerbase distributed? By this I mean: what sort of curve would you expect to see on a graph depicting this and/or what do you think would be significant points on that graph? (Graphs welcome)

3. What items do you think make up what proportions of the total NAV of the EVE playerbase? (Pie charts welcome)

i believe a certain percent of eve population control a certain percent of wealth that is more than the others have

I think this is actually relevant to the topic, so I'll run with it.

My experience has been that my NAV only goes up. I'm probably one of the more cautious investors in EVE and that certainly has something to do with it, but I also have an extensive stable of characters to PLEX and a regular PvP habit to sustain. I accept that as this is a game it might be common for people to take great risks with their assets, but I feel that anyone who is able to budget effectively should see their NAV improve month on month for the majority of their EVE lives.

However, it may be that my view on this is too heavily coloured by my own attitude to isk and risk. It's certainly likely that people who have amassed large fortunes have done so through taking big risks with their wealth. Maybe the top end of the EVE NAV scale is a more dynamic place than I imagine, with people gaining and losing massive quantities of isk from month to month. I'd certainly be interested to hear some rags-to-riches-to-rags-again stories from people who have been there and back.

GTFO and get back to jita local to round up more idiots, Its the only place you will find investors

I already have 5 investors, and two more interested investors (but my bond is closed).
I don't have any problems finding investors.

If you call my investors, people who are earning 15 to 17% return on their principal, idiots, then what does that make you?
I thought so.

I know, Korgan Medel needs to stay on topic or bring up his concerns somewhere else =)

Good thread though, I'm interested in seeing the responses.

I think that the wealthiest people in eve are big market players, scammers/thieves and people who run huge manufacturing operations. Entity has 3-4T and I figure that Chribba has probs at least as much. Then there are the big market players like Akita T, each in the 1-2T area, and ofc scammas like Bad Bobby and Istvaan shogaatsu, Around 1T. Then there are alliance/corp thieves like [insert name here, anyone?]

It may be a bell curve, but I think that the zero NAV axis cuts through the curve just off to the low end of the mean such that it doesn't really resemble a bell at all.


I seem to remember a previous discussion about this, informed by QEN data or fanfest slides, that put the average at somewhere around 450m. However, I can't remember it with any confidence and I expect we were talking about average wallet size which isn't a good measure of NAV anyway. Still, I believe that 200-300m is too low.


I agree that 5-10B is not much, so much so that I'm not at all confident about that putting you in the top 0.5%. I just have the feeling that the number of people in the 5B-10T range is large enough to fill the top percentile.

Bad Bobby, I think you should make theese threads with alts.

I also had a small business idea a while ago, before your (rather good) scam.
I remember that you proposed to hold the collateral and research the prints, the general MD community did the same, proposed you as collateral holder and basicly I was told that it was the only way.

Thank god I didn't do that. I have probably profited half a trillion isk doing what I do since then. Now I have all the isk I need and MD will likely never see a IPO or bond coming from me ever again.

Back to my lead in, I think you should make threads like this (intelligent threads) with alts to get the proper response a well written thread deserves. You may have some good opinions, but I would think the name Bad Bobby is slightly burned, but I may be wrong.

I however think there are hundreds of players with atleast 500 billion isk nav to their name, this is based on nothing but personal experience.
Ive sold alot unique ships (liquidating) and noticed then that there's alot people who easly throw 30 - 40b isk around, some even came back for a second ship after losing the first one pvping.

Theres alot rich key players high up in large alliances also there is the traders you see every day. I am not gonna name them here, but you can see them in both ships, modules and blueprint channels.

I would also guess Somer is the richest player ingame at the moment, not a clue how rich but the blink seems to be working out well.

Also I think Akita T isn't a big market player as previusly stated, looking at eveboards he or she has 200 b isk liquid. My rough guess is that he has somewhere between 400B and 700B in NAV.
Entity is kinda difficult as he has alot unique ships, and some of those older unique ships are kinda hard to put a value to.

Just my two cents

I would be willing to perform a survey of such things in exchange for a gratuitous sum of money.