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Oversized Vengeance?
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Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-10-10 19:51:25 UTC
I have an odd (maybe stupid) question.

Of all the ships I fly I probably enjoy my little Vengeance the best. I run a single repper version for both PVE and PVP and it works great (with slightly different setups) in either world.

My question is, what would you consider a slightly oversized Vengeance? Something that is;

Small Sig
Fast
Tanky (repped)

but has better DPS output than the Vengeance as it can fall a bit short against larger ships.

Anyhow, thoughts?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#2 - 2011-10-10 19:56:47 UTC
Retribution? Oh wait... can't fit a point... damn... ummm...

How did you Veterans start?
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2011-10-10 20:07:02 UTC
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Retribution? Oh wait... can't fit a point... damn... ummm...


HA! um, no.

Vexor maybe?
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#4 - 2011-10-10 20:21:57 UTC
Vexor is a fatty. Take a look at the Rupture.

How did you Veterans start?
Goose99
#5 - 2011-10-10 20:23:53 UTC
Zealot?
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-10 20:25:32 UTC
Broadsword maybe, Rupture not so much.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-10 20:33:16 UTC
Ummm, had not thought of the Zealot. Sufficiently quick, really small sig. You may have hit on something.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#8 - 2011-10-10 20:37:21 UTC
Delucian wrote:
Ummm, had not thought of the Zealot. Sufficiently quick, really small sig. You may have hit on something.



Shocked
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-10-10 20:52:24 UTC
I seem to remember the Navy Omen having a small sig for a cruiser.
Delucian
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-10-10 21:01:33 UTC
The Omen Navy issue has a sig of 112, the Zealot is 125.

The native resistance boost on the Zealot and extra grid can run dual reppers - which might be massive overkill with such a small sig and some speed tanking.

Zealot is faster by about 50m/s, siimilar DPS.

So the question is whether the ONI would fair as well as the Zealot due to its smaller sig.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#11 - 2011-10-10 21:16:42 UTC
The Sacrilege is literally the vengeance but a cruiser hull instead of a frigate hull. Actually the Sacrilege is better because its a HAC not an assault ship and as such dosen't suffer from having screwed up bonuses.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-10 21:17:37 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The Sacrilege is literally the vengeance but a cruiser hull instead of a frigate hull. Actually the Sacrilege is better because its a HAC not an assault ship and as such dosen't suffer from having screwed up bonuses.



this, the Sac is the only ship that can be considered a bigger Vengy.

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1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2011-10-10 21:18:05 UTC
My good sir, I believe you mean thy Sacriledge
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Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2011-10-10 23:59:22 UTC
1-Up Mushroom wrote:
My good sir, I believe you mean thy Sacriledge

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Kyle Renton
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-11 00:14:58 UTC
Well obviously the Sac is the direct cruiser equivelant, however don't forget that the T3 Legion with the HAM sub is a beefier Sac with smaller sig and can be fit with 100mn AB
Mavnas
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-10-11 00:24:48 UTC
Delucian wrote:
The Omen Navy issue has a sig of 112, the Zealot is 125.

The native resistance boost on the Zealot and extra grid can run dual reppers - which might be massive overkill with such a small sig and some speed tanking.

Zealot is faster by about 50m/s, siimilar DPS.

So the question is whether the ONI would fair as well as the Zealot due to its smaller sig.


Probably not then. The ONI only wins at requiring less skill to fly to its full potential.
Goose99
#17 - 2011-10-11 01:42:36 UTC
Kyle Renton wrote:
Well obviously the Sac is the direct cruiser equivelant, however don't forget that the T3 Legion with the HAM sub is a beefier Sac with smaller sig and can be fit with 100mn AB


The direct cruiser equivalent doesn't necessarily handle close enough to a Vengeance frig. He rejected Rupter hull for the same reason - it's too heavy. Sac is heavier, aside from the 100mn ab gimmick, not to mention a missile boat. I would have suggested Vegabound, but it's on the light side, plus not... laserly. So here's the Zealot.
NoNah
Hyper-Nova
#18 - 2011-10-11 02:10:38 UTC
Grimpak wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The Sacrilege is literally the vengeance but a cruiser hull instead of a frigate hull. Actually the Sacrilege is better because its a HAC not an assault ship and as such dosen't suffer from having screwed up bonuses.



this, the Sac is the only ship that can be considered a bigger Vengy.


A wild Legion appears.... and I technically guess joined by his damnation brother.
Tamiya Sarossa
Resistance is Character Forming
#19 - 2011-10-11 03:26:36 UTC
Heh I can't believe it took eight posts for a Sacrilege to get suggested, and I'll second that suggestion. It's got enough extra tank/gank that you could slap a couple nanos on it and fly it like a vengeance in PvE just fine, especially if you were rolling with an AB fit. And it is in ever other way a larger Vengeance, even down to the sexy paintjob.

Though yeah, a HAM legion could work just as well. But I'd start by looking at a Sacrilege first.
Grimpak
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-11 06:39:22 UTC
NoNah wrote:
Grimpak wrote:
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
The Sacrilege is literally the vengeance but a cruiser hull instead of a frigate hull. Actually the Sacrilege is better because its a HAC not an assault ship and as such dosen't suffer from having screwed up bonuses.



this, the Sac is the only ship that can be considered a bigger Vengy.


A wild Legion appears.... and I technically guess joined by his damnation brother.



A) damnation isn't really a direct step above from either the vengy or the sac.

B) legion isn't black.

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