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New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p

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Crexa
Ion Industrials
#541 - 2012-07-20 20:28:05 UTC
Dramaticus wrote:
Serious post

The current moon distribution is fine you just need to completely scrap T2 production as is and redo it so there is some vague sort of value assigned based on the rarity.



Precisely.

"F=ma, so obviously they're putting mouths against arses to produce a force." "...its breakfast time and i am very hungry. may i have some of your paint chips?"
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#542 - 2012-07-20 20:30:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
You're so desperate in your hope that we're just some big evil despot, ready to start whipping everyone the instant tech is nerfed.

It'd be hilarious to see just how disappointed you are going to be when that doesn't come to pass.


We shall see... for the sake of the game i do hope you are wrong.

but hey every game has to have a bad guy right? and you killed all of them so now you have to fill that role...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#543 - 2012-07-20 20:38:37 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
The only genuine people I have seen keep this up over the years are the Providence holders…


on the other hand, the providence holders have not done anything of note ever because the key to their "success" (if you call not failing a 'success') is the worthless nature of their space

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Wolodymyr
Breaking Ambitions
#544 - 2012-07-20 20:39:36 UTC
OK this tech fix is nice.....but it's nothing more than a bandaid. Just something to keep the market from crashing until they can come out with that ring mining thing they mentioned at fanfest or whatever "active group pve" thing that is needed to replace passive moon goo.

I am a bit worried that this alchemy patch is an indication that the actual real tech fix is not coming any time soon, and we'll have to wait a year or more while CCP fools around with other stuff before getting back to tech.


Lord Zim wrote:
Allies: get stuff to do more stuff.
Pets: pay for stuff.

Actually most people call that renting.

An ally is someone who is set blue to achieve a common goal, but there is no threat in the relationship. Goons and Test are allies. They could reset standings and still be functioning alliances on their own.

A pet is someone who is allowed to live in their space or hold their assets as long as they do what their owners tell them to. For example Black Mark was told that their killboard wasn't impressive enough or their CTA participation wasn't good enough and they were kicked out of their space. Some people would also argue that PL is a goon pet because the CFC is sitting on top of their tech moons.

And renters pay a fee to live in their space. They don't have to meet any pre-defined goals other than paying a certain amount of isk to the people who gave them their space.

I honestly think PoCo based sov is a good idea https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1417544
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#545 - 2012-07-20 20:41:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Wolodymyr wrote:
For example Black Mark was told that their killboard wasn't impressive enough or their CTA participation wasn't good enough and they were kicked out of their space. Some people would also argue that PL is a goon pet because the CFC is sitting on top of their tech moons.


low participation in fleets is a valid reason for a reset

we also don't have coalition-wide CTAs

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#546 - 2012-07-20 20:48:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
Richard Desturned wrote:
Wolodymyr wrote:
For example Black Mark was told that their killboard wasn't impressive enough or their CTA participation wasn't good enough and they were kicked out of their space. Some people would also argue that PL is a goon pet because the CFC is sitting on top of their tech moons.


I'm privy to the details behind the BLM reset and believe me, it had nothing to do with their ~kb stats~ or non-participation in imaginary CTAs. PL is far, far from being a "goon pet."

whatever the details of the Black Mark incident may be - it is well-known that killboard activity (per member) of corporations and allies is monitored by Goonswarm leadership (which was considered a major advancement over using other kb stats like isk efficiency) and taken into consideration when it comes to issues like moon distribution, ...

pretending goons don't care about kb stats is plain silly.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#547 - 2012-07-20 20:53:34 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
whatever the details of the Black Mark incident may be - it is well-known that killboard activity (per member) of corporations and allies is monitored by Goonswarm leadership (which was considered a major advancement over using other kb stats like isk efficiency) and taken into consideration when it comes to issues like moon distribution, ...

pretending goons don't care about kb stats is plain silly.


Low participation is more often a symptom of a greater problem than an isolated problem on its own.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#548 - 2012-07-20 20:54:49 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Wolodymyr wrote:
For example Black Mark was told that their killboard wasn't impressive enough or their CTA participation wasn't good enough and they were kicked out of their space. Some people would also argue that PL is a goon pet because the CFC is sitting on top of their tech moons.


I'm privy to the details behind the BLM reset and believe me, it had nothing to do with their ~kb stats~ or non-participation in imaginary CTAs. PL is far, far from being a "goon pet."

whatever the details of the Black Mark incident may be - it is well-known that killboard activity (per member) of corporations and allies is monitored by Goonswarm leadership (which was considered a major advancement over using other kb stats like isk efficiency) and taken into consideration when it comes to issues like moon distribution, ...

pretending goons don't care about kb stats is plain silly.


notice he changed his reponce... i wonder if the whole non participation and bad kb was what leadership feed to the grunts... and finding out that alex is not jesus is too much for some of them to handle...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#549 - 2012-07-20 20:55:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

Low participation is more often a symptom of a greater problem than an isolated problem on its own.


right i blame D3 and Sins rebellion expansion for that one...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#550 - 2012-07-20 20:58:16 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
notice he changed his reponce... i wonder if the whole non participation and bad kb was what leadership feed to the grunts... and finding out that alex is not jesus is too much for some of them to handle...


i don't get it, why are you namedropping Mittens like that instead of calling him, well, Mittens

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Inspiration
#551 - 2012-07-20 20:59:38 UTC
Alchemy was a BAD fix, so why not remove it instead of expand on it? And this expanded feature depends on another broken thing...posses. To me it seems like CCP learned nothing at all from past mistakes!

I am serious!

MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#552 - 2012-07-20 21:00:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
notice he changed his reponce... i wonder if the whole non participation and bad kb was what leadership feed to the grunts... and finding out that alex is not jesus is too much for some of them to handle...


i don't get it, why are you namedropping Mittens like that instead of calling him, well, Mittens


personally i spell real bad and just writing his rl name is much easier...

though if you would like i can say mittenz

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#553 - 2012-07-20 21:02:13 UTC
And being "the bad guy" is something we manage just fine without treating our allies like ****. Just ask hulk pilots in hisec.

And the CFC being a well-cohesive group has little to do with "the game health", the problem is more the fact that everyone else are complete **** who lose whole wars in anything from a few weeks to ... 2 days.

Wolodymyr wrote:
A pet is someone who is allowed to live in their space or hold their assets as long as they do what their owners tell them to. For example Black Mark was told that their killboard wasn't impressive enough or their CTA participation wasn't good enough and they were kicked out of their space. Some people would also argue that PL is a goon pet because the CFC is sitting on top of their tech moons.

First of all, t here are no CTAs. Second of all, we can't please people if we suck in everyone we can find, and we can't please everyone if we actually try to get people in our coalition to actually not suck dicks through a straw.

I guess I'll just have to live with trying to get people in our coalition to not suck dicks through a straw, and still end up having the better space etc for it because everyone else are **** at eve.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#554 - 2012-07-20 21:04:35 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
right i blame D3 and Sins rebellion expansion for that one...

They're both DRM-infested crap games.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#555 - 2012-07-20 21:11:51 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
right i blame D3 and Sins rebellion expansion for that one...

They're both DRM-infested crap games.



Sins is pretty epic... I got a sweet lan game going with my bro atm... I lub the tec reb titan... Its boss...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#556 - 2012-07-20 21:14:17 UTC
And it requires you activate the game with stardock's servers, which by default make it ****. Same as I noticed when I tried to start galciv2 and sins trinity the other day after reinstalling the machine, which made those two games ****, too.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
0oO0oOoOo0o
Caldari State
#557 - 2012-07-20 21:27:00 UTC
Hello CCP Fozzie, in German your name is not very clean, it would translate to CCP Cuntty or CCP Twatty. I'm sure you were not aware of that and propose you just change it.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#558 - 2012-07-20 21:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Lord Zim wrote:
And it requires you activate the game with stardock's servers, which by default make it ****. Same as I noticed when I tried to start galciv2 and sins trinity the other day after reinstalling the machine, which made those two games ****, too.


meh its just something you have to get past right? its the future either adapt or never play cool "NEW" games again i guess...

OH AND GAL CIV ii IS THE BOMB!

fing caps lock...

i still play MOO2 from time to time...

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
JC Anderson
RED ROSE THORN
#559 - 2012-07-20 21:31:38 UTC  |  Edited by: JC Anderson
0oO0oOoOo0o wrote:
Hello CCP Fozzie, in German your name is not very clean, it would translate to CCP Cuntty or CCP Twatty. I'm sure you were not aware of that and propose you just change it.


*Shrug* It's the name of one of the muppets, not just some random word he chose.

http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Fozzie_Bear

Waka Waka wouldn't make any sense otherwise... Then again, it doesn't make any sense to begin with I guess.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#560 - 2012-07-20 21:31:45 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
meh its just something you have to get past right? its the future either adapt or never play cool "NEW" games again i guess...

OH AND GAL CIV ii IS THE BOMB!

fing caps lock...

i still play MOO2 from time to time...

You're literally part of the problem. Smallpox on your computer.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat