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Vigilant vs Deimos.
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HellBent KillingSpree
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-20 08:55:13 UTC  |  Edited by: HellBent KillingSpree
I have recently started using the Vigilant, its a great ship with a crazy DPS bonus, and im only a few days away from a deimos. What is your preference of the 2 ships and why?
Im trying to consider the best option for solo PvP and think the Vigilant would come out on top, but wanted to see the opinions of more hardened players.

EDIT: forgot to mention, im using the Vigilant on my more highly trained alt, forgot to change forum characters to post.

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feihcsiM
THE B0YS
#2 - 2012-07-20 09:44:16 UTC
I'd make sure you are amazing at solo killing stuff in a 'rax before you use either in solo pvp as they are both pretty expensive lossmails and will die easily to a couple of competent BC pilots.
Personaly I would go gank brutix for solo pvp shenanigans. Much cheaper to lose with insurance and same 'melt your face' modus operandi.
Myrm is arguably better for solo pvp but uses a different apprach.

It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine.
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#3 - 2012-07-20 09:54:16 UTC
i wasn't that impressed by the deimos. I have both cadari and minmatar cruiser 5 so the vigilant out-performs the deimos in every way for me:

More DPS, More EHP, More range, faster, more fitting, web bonus (CRUICIAL on a faction ship - it literally makes the difference between easy kills and being caught by a frig that wont die).

The vigilant is more expensive and generally attracts more attention... but it's still the better ship.

p.s. the brutix flys nothing like a deimos or vigilant. If you get under 10KM in a cruiser hull you DIE. Brutix has the EHP and tanking bonus to allow it to get in closer. Vigi and dei have the range bonus to kite.
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#4 - 2012-07-20 10:04:52 UTC
Well Caldari cruiser skill will do you no good on a Vigilant lol

Other then that the Vigilant wins every time except when you KNOW you are up against Therm/Kin damage aka another blaster boat. Cause of the T2 resists the tank way way way surpasses that of the Vigilant when facing blaster DPS.
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#5 - 2012-07-20 10:12:24 UTC
I'd prefer the Vigilant for solo work because of the web, the Deimos for ArmorHAC fleets, because of the T2-resists. Keep in mind, that both of them die horribly when faced by a HAM Drake which is one quarter of the price of these Cruisers :-/
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#6 - 2012-07-20 11:08:16 UTC
Robert Lefcourt wrote:
I'd prefer the Vigilant for solo work because of the web, the Deimos for ArmorHAC fleets, because of the T2-resists. Keep in mind, that both of them die horribly when faced by a HAM Drake which is one quarter of the price of these Cruisers :-/


Actually the drakes DPS is pathetic (a small armor repper can repair it) once you factor in the kinetic resists. If they switch missile types though....
Robert Lefcourt
BigPoppaMonkeys
E.B.O.L.A.
#7 - 2012-07-20 11:24:19 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:

Actually the drakes DPS is pathetic (a small armor repper can repair it) once you factor in the kinetic resists. If they switch missile types though....


...you're pretty much screwed ;-) I tried this after i bought my first Vigilant with a corpmate. The Drake is a HAM Drake with pretty much all 5 (>700dps, 80k EHP) , the Vigilant is dual prop with about 40k EHP (eve) buffer tank and about 800 dps. It's a close call, but the drake did come out in front three out of three times. Both Players overheated as long as possible.
Have to try it with a full set of ecms some time ;-)


regards,

rob
Denuo Secus
#8 - 2012-07-20 11:53:33 UTC
Robert Lefcourt wrote:
....that both of them die horribly when faced by a HAM Drake which is one quarter of the price of these Cruisers :-/


But then again...against which BC would it (or most HACs/pirate cruisers) NOT die horribly? Cane? Guess not. Harb? Hardly. Myrm? Not sure...
CorInaXeraL
The Dresdeneers
#9 - 2012-07-20 13:30:51 UTC
Denuo Secus wrote:
Robert Lefcourt wrote:
....that both of them die horribly when faced by a HAM Drake which is one quarter of the price of these Cruisers :-/


But then again...against which BC would it (or most HACs/pirate cruisers) NOT die horribly? Cane? Guess not. Harb? Hardly. Myrm? Not sure...


I'd be inclined to agree with the above. For solo-PVP the Vigi is what the Deimos should have been, it flies like a dream. The Deimos, though, is great for having an armor-HAC for group-use, as when partnered up it can be a brutal asset on any team.

I myself prefer the Vigi over all else, but I still have to give my Deimos some lovin' every now and then.
Worpout
Genos Occidere
#10 - 2012-07-20 14:43:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Worpout
vigilant is very good for a shield tanked ship with a fed navy web, med disruptor and lse. Deimos is an armor tanker and eat drakes cause 99% of them is retar.ded and shoot kinetic only. Shield vigilant have a very limited engagement profile but it dont have to commit to a fight so it can just gtfo when it want to, as a deimos have to commit in scram range.
Tazarak theDeceiver
United Mining and Hauling Inc
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-07-20 18:16:10 UTC
It's very hard to go back to the Deimos after flying the Vigilant. It's far easier to fit as well.

With that said, I also cannot bear to spend money on any HAC's other than the Vagabond. It's just so much more fun than the others combined.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-07-20 18:26:01 UTC
Robert Lefcourt wrote:
I'd prefer the Vigilant for solo work because of the web, the Deimos for ArmorHAC fleets, because of the T2-resists. Keep in mind, that both of them die horribly when faced by a HAM Drake which is one quarter of the price of these Cruisers :-/



This, I'd take a HAM drake erryday over deimos or vigilant however, Deimos and Vigilant are really deadly in groups with logistics, but since we're supposed to talk about solo stuff-->Drake->Cane are always good solo ships

brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-07-20 18:29:04 UTC
Worpout wrote:
vigilant is very good for a shield tanked ship with a fed navy web, med disruptor and lse. Deimos is an armor tanker and eat drakes cause 99% of them is retar.ded and shoot kinetic only. Shield vigilant have a very limited engagement profile but it dont have to commit to a fight so it can just gtfo when it want to, as a deimos have to commit in scram range.


This, many pilots specially missile pilots do this mistake, shoot Kin or Explo when actually the lower resist on armor gallente ships is very often EM (because everyone fill explo hole+DCU+EANP but EM is often the lowest).

brb
W0lf Crendraven
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-07-20 21:11:45 UTC
Both can do the same, the deimos is (a lot) cheaper and has better resist, meaning it can finish of drakes quite easily alone, but i would shield tank both and kite with them, especially when flying solo. Frigates and other cruisers will be your best targets but most bcs are killable as well!

The vigilant has the awesome web, which means frigate pretty much die asap, and other ships cant really catch up to you.

The vigilant is more agile and faster and has more sensor strength as well as more dps but it cant lock very far and the deimos is much better on cap! All in all id say for solo stuff the vigilant is better!

Id the vigilant somewaht like this:

[Vigilant, Fury of Sarpati]
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II
Large Shield Extender II

Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Valkyrie II x5

(never ever use ecm drones on any ship), throw in loki links and snakes for more fun!

Can do similar stuff in a deimos:
[Deimos, not an ahac]
Damage Control II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 10MN MicroWarpdrive I
Warp Disruptor II

Medium Energy Neutralizer II
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M
Heavy Neutron Blaster II, Null M

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I


Hammerhead II x5