Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hahahaha no, **** off.

It is not that cloaks should not change, but this stalemate effect is countering the free intel being given out by local.

We have right now, a case of: "I know you are there, but I cannot find you"
(Absolute presence awareness countered by absolute location concealment)

You cannot change one side without the other, and still have balance.

Too much focus on how to remove AFK cloaking. You are addressing a symptom of a problem, not the problem itself.

If you want to remove AFK cloaking's game impact, remove cloaked ships from displaying in local.

When this is done, it becomes reasonable to consider means to hunt cloaked vessels. NOT before this happens.

So long as people in a system magically know cloaked pilots are present with them, cloaked vessels should not be vulnerable to being hunted effectively.

Cloaking will be earned when cloaking awareness is earned. Balance must be maintained.

And you can't make these changes (effectively increasing the risk/effort of living in null/lowsec) without either increasing the rewards for doing what they're doing, or at the very least make sure the few who are actually making a living out there aren't bleeding over to run L4s instead because the risk/effort to reward ratio makes it a no-brainer to go run L4s instead.

Yes, I'll suggest what I've suggested in the other thread and you'll keep telling me to "jog on" because you don't like the changes, and I'm not agreeing with you.

Nope. Remember, I apparently live in the best region for anoms in the game, I have nothing to be "butthurt" about. And they were nerfed for a good reason: they were hurting the economy because a ton of people were doing them. They got nerfed, and mostly everyone moved back to running L4s instead.


And yet, you keep on totally ignoring any suggestions I've made to temper the change, simply because you don't like them.


And you forgot to include, in this thread as well, what I referred to (notice "as I've said before"? It's there for a reason) where I fleet up for fleetfights in nullsec, and I do all my iskmaking in hisec, because the risk/effort to reward ratio makes it mildly boneheaded to bother making isk in nullsec when you have tons of L4s in hisec basically doing the same job (only slightly slower), and that's with today's mechanics. Remove local without reducing the payouts in hisec, and guess what? That's only going to depopulate nullsec even further.

I can keep on pointing this out to you, but I expect you'll just do what you've chosen as your latest tactic and go with "you don't want any changes, so just jog on with your negative attitude", again.

As a covert ops pilot who might spend hours scouting and observing the activity of a target, I strongly object to arbitrary time limits on cloaking.

Would you object if CCP made a special covops ship (or turned the covops of today into) a ship which could only fit a covops cloak and nothing else, in exchange for not showing up in local?

Yeah, I was going to go and add a probe launcher in there, but I figured I'd forgotten about it for long enough that someone'd already quoted me. vOv

I already said I forgot the probes. If you want to retain combat abilities and not show up in local, however, expect either nullsec to become even more depopulated than it already is, or watch L4s etc get nerfed out of hisec to compensate for the increase in effort/risk to reward ratio in relation to hisec.

may i suggest the following.

what if a cloaking device needed fuel, a limited amount of fuel can be carried onboard and cannot be accessed in space so no refueling in space. maybe 2 hours worth of fuel would be a good number before docking and refueling is needed.