Player Features and Ideas Discussion

People will come to a point where they even don´t know what to skill.
Everything they want is done.

Instead of wasting time on something they´ll probably never use anyway they just can kick in a longtime skill.
In a couple days i´ll kick "large blaster spec 5" in - for another 2% damage.

Imo the 2% damage bonus are good enough. So the gap between newer players and old stinky vets doesnt get to big.

To your point about the Gap, I do not think that would important, 6 month on player can have skill at 5 while a 2 year old might not. at that point 6 month player has the advantage.

I guess its more about the tactics. In most cases long kills are left by player to be done later while some players do it early. its all about the decision making and what is important to the player. PVP players would go for it early , while PVE might do it later.


I believe long skill training should not be about - well I have nothing to train might as well do it.


But thank you for your input.

Thank you - Goti fase


The only reason I mentioned X5 and above it the time it takes for such skills to train. in general x5 takes a month that is a long time to spend doing nothing buy training a single skill.

anything below I believe they are fine and bonus to them would be overkill.

Its not only about the Drone but also about guns. e.g Medium Blaster Special is also 2% damage increase from lvl4 to lvl5. and it takes 20+ days to do it. not worth it. a 300 DPS ship would mean it would make it only 306 in that much time.

if it were 10% additional damage as an example it would mean 337 DPS aprox. now that is something worth training for.


I guess I am after incentive to train a x5 and above skill which there is none at this time.

Serious question:

What happens to ships with multi-race bonuses?

Or in other words: besides large blaster spec 5 i can fly a vindicator perfectly (at lvl every single skill). Isn´t it powerfull enough allready?

Also with weapon skill 5 = 25%, spec-weapon skill = 10%, damage mods, hardwires, surgical strike 15%, (in most cases) shipbonus 25%.

As far as it goes to damage: its allready enough damage on the table imo.

You´re welcome.

Working as intended. You can try a skill with little time investment (lvl1-2), be good at it with some focus into it (lvl 3-4), or be best at it with significant time investment (lvl5)

The skill system is built off diminishing returns for the time invested and changing that will make the gap between newer players and vets too hard to close. And that 2% extra damage to a gun after bonuses and dmg mods can easily become 20-25 wxtra dmage per second on a battleship and I don't think that making it be a 50dps increase would add any value to overall gameplay

I actually think that having most skills be 'not worth it' to train to L5 is good for the game.

Skills are one of the most important factors in succeeding at anything in EVE, and the real-time training system means it's essentially impossible for a new character to catch up to an old character. You mitigate this to a significant extent by specialising, and a focused three-month character can beat a year-old jack-of-all-trades character . . . but only in their area of specialisation. Overall, the older character will always have an advantage somewhere.

That doesn't necessarily mean that EVE's skill system is bad: I actually like it in a lot of ways. But the game will not survive without new players, and the only way we'll ever keep new players is if they are able to compete with the old hands in a reasonable time-frame. A week-old character climbing into a throwaway rifter and making the tackle which gets your fleet a nice kill is a rush; being told that that's all you'll be good for for the next year is a reason to quit the game.

The current system means that roughly 20% of the training time will get your 80% efficiency. That means that a new pilot can get 'good' at any one thing in a relatively short period of time. Only a small fraction of EVE's options will be open to them, and they're still not 'great' even at that, but they're getting to the point where they can start to feel like they can actually compete. Even if they find themselves up against a veteran, the gap is small enough that they have a chance of winning: all it takes is a fluke wrecking hit, or catching the opponent off-guard, or some other form of lucky break.

The flip side of that is that having those last 'inefficient' skill levels still allows the veterans to get a noticable edge. It's a small edge, true, but when you add half a dozen of those 2% advantages, months or years of extra experience, and the ability to throw more ISK at a problem without breaking your wallet, they start to become significant. Nine times out of ten, in a fair fight the older player can expect to come out slightly ahead - which is as it should be.

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It encourages specialization, which is a key part in allowing newer players to be competitive.