Science & Industry

how the hell is this thread still going.

t2 bpos are the art collections of the internet spaceship world.

In RL, my $50,000,000 could be invested in stocks, bonds, etfs, new businesses etc but no, Im going to a buy a picasso.

T2 bpos are perfect for eve as they stand now. A seductively expensive collectors item, some of which offer decent returns on investment.

well, were we exclusivly talking about module invention? Ship Invention can take longer than 24 hours, and depending on what you are inventing, (i.E. Marauders, Jump Frighters, Hulks) the BPO`s can have a value. Nobody said anything about locking the BPO`s down, just to have them stored in a station. A major reason to do so is also that oyu can access your BPO`s from elsewhere.



wich is perfectly allright, Inventors may not have the benefit of inventing each item cheaper than a T2 BPO owner can, but he is not limited in his output wich the T2 BPO owner clearly is, so he can infact outperform him in profit. Dont worry, I know you dont understand this, said it anyways ;)

Special ships can be popped/stolen/ransomed I'd be happy to fight any special ships. T2BPO how ever are pretty much indestructible as they never need to leave stations and CCP has went to a long effort insuring they are never stolen by allowing them to be used while locked. This goes for t1 bp's too . The ability to lock a blue print and still use it needs an urgent nerf in fact allowing a pos to produce from bp's inside a station is completely stupid too.

So, basically, you just want to remove the remote research and manufacture skills, and remove the ability to lock down stuff, and nothing else.

Brewlar hates Pie so much he wants to ban Oven Mitts so that Bakers can't do any work. Just to make sure they don't bake Pie.


By the way, a Scimitar BPO is currently on sale for at least 290 Billion ISK. After spending that, you can expect to earn around 30 Billion Isk per year, for a 10% annual return, or 2.5 Billion Isk/month (<1% monthly return).

The question is whether the added demand for Hulks (not very high) hikes up the price of Tech enough for that reward paid to be smaller than the added sales price (could be, or maybe not).
The latest news (well, devblog) announcing technetium alchemy (from, IIRC, cobalt) in (probably) about a month from now can't do a lot of good for the price of technetium either (even at the posted low transformation rates, let alone if it gets buffed even higher later on). Then again, they also control a decent amount of cobalt moons, so, meh.
Either way, the goons are having fun, so even if they don't actually make any extra cash but actually lose some by sponsoring perma-Hulkageddon, no major biggie.

With cheaper reaction products, T2 BPOs become LESS VALUABLE, so this latest devblog announcement is actually a further nerf to T2 BPOs (at least, for any of them using technetium, which is all ships and quite a few modules) and a (relative) buff to invention (of the same things) because demand is likely to pick a bit up - cheaper T2 ships, more T2 ship inventors, less profit per unit for T2 ship BPOs.

P.S.
Quick calc, "initial draft" tech alchemy is 10 Plat Tech = 100 cobalt + (100-95=)5 platinum + 1h of fuel for 3000+tf (which would be 20 fuel blocs or around 350k ISK).
So that's 1 PT = 10 cobalt + 0.5 plat + 35k ISK for fuel (the old 20:1 tech:cobalt replacement ratios).
Plat Tech used to sell for around 92k ISK lately, but it will almost certainly be falling.

Cobalt used to sell for ~500 but it recently spiked to over 3k, Platinum was around 2.5k and now it's around 4.5k, so that's 30k from Cobalt, barely over 2k from Platinum, 35k from fuel, making PT cost 67k to manufacture.
Add in at least 100m ISK/mo per reactor profit to make it start worth bothering with (7,200 units/reactor/month), so another 14k minimum, and you're looking at a 81k price for PT down from the previous 92k trade level.
Not a lot less, but still noteworthy.
That would cap tech price at around 145k-155k or thereabouts. Assuming Cobalt/Platinum or fuel block prices would not spike, and assuming people would be willing to accept a mere 100m per month from a reactor. So, maybe, tech price won't be going down much in the long run, but it won't go up more as it could have if there was no tech alchemy at all.
Depends how long they'd keep the reactions at that level.

And of course, they could bring the replacement ratios further down from 10 Cobalt and 20 fuel blocks more in line with other current alchemy numbers (2.5 Cobalt and 5 fuel blocs and just 3.5k minimum added expected minimum profit), which would make it much cheaper (assuming cobalt and platinum would NOT spike even further in price, to a mere 22k per unit of PT - the new 5:1 alchemy). That would cap tech to a negligible price compared to the current level, probably below 40k per unit.
Of course, in that case, I expect both cobalt and platinum to go up more, and I also expect people to want more monthly profit from reactors than a measly 100m/mo/reactor, so before any further changes, we might as well still see tech over 60k per unit (or even a bit higher) even with the VASTLY buffed alchemy reactions.
Depends how much it takes them to implement OTHER changes on top of just alchemy.

Isn't it funny that CCP just FINALLY announced the much-expected nerf to moongoo (i.e. primarily tech) which hits T2 BPOs (their likely profits) in the balls badly ? :p
And we just waited, oh, over two years for that...

You tried this stupid argument before. A Hulk BPO is a terrible investment. It earns maybe 3b ISK a month on over 100b ISK of capital. Besides that, Hulk pricing is totally dominated by inventors, not BPO owners.

If you think T2 BPOs are too profitable and easy, why haven't you bought one?

Can you make up your mind ? Was it Hulk BPOs or tech moons ? Because the INCOME from a single tech moon overshadows the PROFIT of a single Hulk BPO, badly. And there's hundreds of tech moons but only dozens of Hulk BPOs.

Even if you own ALL of them.

Total monthly income from all tech moons as about a month ago : between 3.5 and 5 trillion ISK, give or take a trillion.
Total monthly profit from all Hulk BPOs : under 0.1 trillion ISK.

Clueless as always? Goonies own all Tech moons and most of the Hulk BPOs. 1 + 1 = 2?