Missions & Complexes

I always found Serpentis to be the best rats as well. Killer bounties and **** damage projection. I did it in a Drake for a while, then switched over to the Tengu. It's pretty rediculous.

HML's are still top dog as far as I'm concerned. I use the same Tengu to solo the 10/10's and have no issues.

In my opinion, both are best to have.

HAM Tengus annhilate forsaken hubs; absolutely absurd damage. Right now I put two HAM Tengus in the same hub and they both make ~26m ticks.

I'm saving up to buy a thanny character, and then I will put them in separate hubs. My corp mate does this and says they've gotten upwards of 37m ticks. 111m per hour, per character; ~220m an hour all together (minus taxes).

Then with the rate you're annhilating hubs, you'll have plenty of escalations to do. I switch to a travel fit (nullifier, warp core stabs), head to the closest station to the escalation, refit to HM's and a bigger tank, and do the escalation. You can even bring your carrier in to the later escalations (if you have one).

The naga is actually effective vs serpentis as well, since you can pull enough range to take next to no damage while still using antimatter. DPS on rails isn't as high as blasters, for sure. but the "I can hit you from here" factor is definitely a bonus.

Throw a bit of extra isk at it and It's not terribly unreasonable to top 800dps at 80km, with ~40km of falloff left to go

Interesting, Could you link the HAM fit?

Cheers.

Don't have a fitting tool on this PC so I'll do it off the top of my head.

The five usual subsystems...accelerated ejection bay, augmented cap, the shield boosting defense one, dissolution sequencer, fuel catalyst.

6 x HAM II, rage assault (with damage type to your rats)
meta target painter ---> This will let you hit the cruisers for full damage, the phased something something is better than the tech 2 target painter

pithi c-type small shield booster
meta shield boost amplifier
2x Hardeners to Taste
afterburner II

-This seems like it's not enough tank, but I've never had anything close to a problem in hubs, and have even used it to do escalations...but I do have to warp out if I'm being neuted by the towers. Speed is your primary tank on a Tengu. You can also take off the shield boost amplifier and put a second target painter if you're doing other hubs, for the frigates.

2x flare I rigs
1x Bay loading Accelerator II

Cap only lasts 3-4 minutes depending on skills, but if you're running your booster for that long you're doing something else wrong. This tank *can* hold in sanctums and escalations, but you need to pay attention because if you get caught with bad transversal or get webbed you'll start going down.




Yeah if you don't have docking rights anywhere I'd stick to HML all the way and a lot more tank. That HAM fit is a no-go for pvp;

Back to the topic.

I'm curious about how the vargur & paladin compares to the nightmares ISK/HR ration here.

The result from machariel interests me also.

Pleaso DO contribute your results.

I'm not the poster, but one who might be moving back to 0.0 soon and I'm dying to know what are the proven "most efficient" ISK machines.

Personally I used to run anoms with tengu & machariel and had around 100+m isk income combined. Tho only t2 fits and +3% implants.

Cheers o/

I recommend using a cap booster and using the shield rigs that lower cap usage of shield boosters. I find that combo works much better than CCC rigs and cap rechargers. On top of that it frees up other slots for better resists. With my conflag setup I was cap stable at 60% and had 2 more low slots and 1 more mid slot free for what I wished.

Sentry Thanny

So i tested the sentry thanny last night. and I averaged around 28-32m/tick. I simply warped in at 50, took the agro, dropped sentries and started shooting. I used a 1 capital armor rep setup, with 4 drone dmg mods, 4 drone links, 2 target painters, 2 sebos and 1 remote rep to repair the couple of drones that did get some agro. For the most part I would scoop drones before the next wave then drop them as soon as I was targeted. Forsaken hubs are for sure the best for this method. And it requires t2 sentries.

Tip: Take out the cruisers first so they cant get up to speed.

Pros: - good isk/hr rate
-no ammo cost
-can change dmg type by simply changing drones

cons: -can't move while sentries are out (i fixed this by bubbling the in gate to all hell- although a t3 can of course get through this with no effort. May want to add an mwd in the mids so you can get up to speed faster if need be)
-If anything does get too close the sentries wont be able to track them ( and so i launched fighters and destroyed whatever was too close)

This setup gets right around 1200 dps, which is 550 dps less than with fighters, but because it is instant I went from 24m ticks with fighters to 30m ticks on average with sentries.

I believe the mach will get a better isk/hr rate, but I'm not sure if the ammo cost will take away its value. Does anyone know from experience? Anyone who runs anoms in a mach, can you tell us how much ammo you burn through on average an hour?

I believe the next setup I'm going to try is a vindi+chimera setup. I know this goes away from my original post that stipulated only 1 toon, but I think the vindi+chimera is going to be a winner. With the chimera feeding the vindi cap and shield, the vindi will be able to sustain a 2k dps tank with 3 faction webs and just under 2k dps out to 20km (which is perfect for forsaken hubs). I believe with 3 fed navy webs I'll be able to slow everything down and kill them before they get past my optimal of 11km.

Nice topic and awsome DPS! The problem is not what ship do you fly or what setup do you use (this is secondary), the problem is that even the rats in nullsec have been recently nerfed! I remember last year I was making kinda 40-50 m/hr, now I barely do 10-15 m/hr with much better skills. This is outrageous.

If you arn't prepared to splash out 1bill on a ratting ship but want better DPS and thus isk/hr than a regular BS, then a good compromise is the Armageddon NI for blood and sanshas.

Needs T2 sentries and Drone Interfacing 5 to shine. Was getting 28mil ticks. And thats with BS 4, Pulse Specialization 3, Surgical Strike 4 so there is room for improvment.

Disadvantage is that you have to sit still which makes you a bit vulnerable to a log-in trap.

If you rat in a station system where you can repair for free and like to take a quick break between anoms then a good way to improve isk / hr is to almost burn out your guns by overheating. Kill the first BS in each wave with overheat, let your guns cool down and do it again on the next wave. I think that adds about 3-5mill per tick.