Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I apologize for the curve of English, translated via Google

In this article I will attempt to shed light on the formed my opinion the problem in the balance of the game and try to put

forward some ideas that will fix the embodiment of the present situation.

It's about the balance of Capital Fleet because of which recently raised a lot of noise and dissolved a lot of rumors.
At first read please this capital ship balancing

So let us consider the main problems and outline the situation as a whole.

Let's start with perhaps sore - Dreadnoughts. This class of ships in the game that its parameters should take place between the Carriers, and SuperCarriers. Today, this class of ships did not popular and there are two good reasons:

1. Dreadnoughts in the form in which they are in the game can not compete with Carriers and Super Carriers, due to a dead arms that without the active Siege module does not exceed the loss of 800-900dp / s, which in itself is absurd, since this class of ships in the real world was one of the most powerful in its time. Now the turrets of these ships is bad fall on a fast-moving Battleships, not to mention Battle Cruisers, and talk about how to break through the armor of the capital fleet did not have to - what 900dp / s?.We return to the siege mod! When activated, the siege module we have a good defense ship, and then what all so desire, an increase in dp / s on average to 6000.
But what we get, really? The ship can not move for 10 minutes (!!!!!!!) until after the effect of the siege module. Turret turn rate reduced, which takes away any chance at all dreadnoughts to hit moving targets, with the exception Capital Fleet. Based on the foregoing, it is only today dreadnought cannon shooting cores that can easily kill even a State of Siege module sucked out of him all the stocks Capacitor. Simply fly to the Battleship. And about Phoenix at all to say nothing. Although carriers do not have ships Siege module increasing the dp / s, they have a much greater advantage - the ability to use any kind of Drones, and hence the ability to get on the ships of all sizes

2. The second problem is Skils. Let's go with you on the path of the average player. A person begins to play EVE Online, and develops according to its features. But achieving some success in teaching, in the end before the player selection will arise - what to develop next? Go on a branch Dreadnoughts requiring good skills in the field of Turrets which he may not have, or go on a branch Carriers? During the game the player will of course friends who play EVE Online for much longer, and that they will be asking what to do next! In most cases, advise the player to choose Carriers, for the simple reason of their universality as in combat and logistics, and because of the uselessness of the dreadnoughts, but the main advantage is that after training at Carrier, the player is able to fly Supercarrier, and it will remain only continue to develop the necessary skills. So what's the point the player to develop a useless class ships?

What do all the same in this case ... The changes described here to revive the class dreadnoughts will not succeed! You're not going to disconnect the town from electricity to replace the bulb in the house? Unable to return the interest in this class will not fix the basic problems of multi-tasking! instead forbidden to use drones at all.

As for the Super Carriers and a ban on the use of drones. Judging by what was announced at the Congress of CSM and CCP, this measure is the resulting consequences of that small alliances can not afford to oppose the Navy Super Carriers built the Grand Alliance. The problem is not that they can not resist, but the fact that they have nothing to resist. In fact a fleet of Dreadnoughts and Carriers, must destroy the fleet of Super Carriers, but this is not happening! As a result, we are back again to the problem of dreadnoughts! I'm not saying that Super Carriers do not need to be changed, but it is certainly not a ban drones.

Ways to solve problems:

So, what exactly correct position dreadnoughts in the balance the game?

1. Change existing branches skills placed them so that the player could evolve sequentially, Carriers - Dreadnoughts - Super Carriers - Titans

2. Compare the balance of power dreadnoughts in relation to other classes of capital so that the fleets of dreadnoughts could resist fleets Super Carriers

3. Adapt dreadnoughts under multi-tasking - Hanting, and a wide spectrum of use in PvP.

4. Reduce Shield, Armor and Hull hitpoints on all Supercarriers and Titans

Hello ChiefTech,

You might be interested in this dev blog by CCP Tallest that we just published. It outlines the balancing work we intend to do on the (super)capital ships in the winter expansion.

butt hurt super pilot detected!

Fight Smater, dont die harder.

That's what I was trying to say ... but it seems useless. The next changes will make the game more boring and monotonous.

I think your very much incorrect:

1.) SC'ers got hit very hard by this.... they can only field one full set of FB's or Fighters. If they fight FB's, they are amazing against structures and capitals, but can't do **** to subcaps. If the fit fighters, they still can't do **** to anything smaller than a BS. Also, while they can declaw a POS, they can't actually hurt the Tower now... i.e. They are no longer the swiss-army knife of eve, but a ship with a very defined role: To kill capital ships.

2.) Dreads got a big boost in the 5 min siege cycle, although they are now more vulnerable to subcaps. So what.... I bet the 5 min siege cycle, as well as being the only ship class that can hit a large pos tower brings them very much back into use.

3.) Titans needed the DD nerf.... if a fleet of 50 titans takes the field, they can instantly DD all the logistics, command ships, and hics/dics on field. While not as abused atm as SC fleets, it will be the next big problem if CCP doesn't nerfed it.

Finally, look at the big picture:
These changes make it so the subcap fight matters. A subcap fleet can now effectively hold a supercap fleet down, making supers finally vulnerable to something beyond "MOOOOORRRRRR Supers." There is suddenly a big risk in dropping a 50 man supercap fleet... as an organized 200 man BS fleet can hold them down and slowly eat them alive!!!

:insert 'back of a cig pack math here:

Does this mean my naglfar will now be the most DPS heavy dread? finaly a reason to fly the damn thing

:obligatory statment of 'nag is the worst dread' and 'DD primary every time':

If CCP want ban use drones supercarriers? look in real world - sea carrier use anti-sub helicopters, AEGIS, Anti-arcraft etc. Carrier works on all targets and tasks.
Supercarrier MUST use many roles in game. CCP want cut supercarriers only fighters and fb?! its lol.
need:
- separate dronebays to bays fighters/fb and normal dronebay
- OR - input new fighter modules (signature/speed flight/HP/align), allow fighters agro to target
- rebalance need skills for supercarriers (players spend time about year learning skills for SC, and in the end take fake from CCP?)

IMHO supercarriers after winter update stand on eternal parking...

I wonder if someone thought to address the problem with a super carrier self destructing amidst a fight, denying the people attacking him the kill. Would this be something changed also following the new expansion?

I have changed some ideas, based on the proposed changes of CCP.