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Why are the Caldari seen as "honorable"?

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Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#61 - 2012-07-07 14:02:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Much of New Eden's geopolitical makeup is influenced by real life history.. In this case the post WWII competition engendered by the American's defeat and subsequent occupation of Japan. The correlations are numerous..

The Americans maintained a military governorship of Japan under General MacArthur and his replacements. Baseball and other "American" traditions were pressed upon the Japanese in a "cultural outreach" program. The Japanese chose instead to keep their Emperor and traditions and school America as to how their caste centric society could compete in the global market successfully, without adopting the individualistic approach of the Americans...

They did so quite effectively.. Honor is about Face, not moral ambiguities. It is about being Caldari, and beating the Gallente at their own game, on Caldari terms..

Because the Caldari are "Honorable", they are very straightforward in their dealings with others.. If you understand their society, they are very good business partners..

If you eschew their traditions, or look down on them for their beliefs, they will exploit your ignorance for the full advantage it affords them.. This is not dishonorable, it is pragmatic. Caldari first..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.

Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#62 - 2012-07-08 16:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Roga Dracor wrote:
Honor is about Face, not moral ambiguities...
I agree with this, do you find it as jarring I do, because right conduct should be honourable, shouldn't it? It's hard to think of an honourable act not being right action. Honour is inherently pragmatic, it's employed to avoid moral ambiguities.
Roga Dracor wrote:
The correlations are numerous.. .
Japan and Caldari alike? This had not occurred to me, I'm trying to think why not.

The zaibatsu (the old Japanese family dynasties) which could be the analogue for the old Cladari families, were partially dissolved at the end of the war by SCAP; inadvertently creating the keiretsu. SCAP also imposed the Dodge line, including tax reform, fixing the exchange rate and stopping uneconomic government intervention.

Roosevelt saw the zaibatsu (industry tied to finance) as a monopoly, unhealthy tied to the military, inefficient and inherently undemocratic. Theoretically at least it's not unreasonable to think that the Galente might have had similar objections concerning the Caldari Corporations.

In the event the dissolution freed manufacturing to team up with other remaining bits of the old zaibatsu. They traded stock with each other to raise capital while keeping dividends nugatory; organising sweetheart deals and supply chains. The freed banks keiretsu (Kigyō shūdan: horizontal) got into bed with industry who borrowed from them allowing them to operate on the basis of dept rather than equity reducing operating costs. This was the accelerator of the post war growth not a cultural disposition.

On the other hand the US worked with the Japanese government and corporations to destroy a thriving labour movement, released from an authoritarian regime, that had grown vigorous since the end of the war, this led to serious wage repression. In effect the US stimulated the reemergence of a Japanese corporate oligarchy.

Reasoning by analogy is inductive it's about broad generalizations, these two cultures are in fact very different...
Urina Aivo
Doomheim
#63 - 2012-07-09 07:19:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Urina Aivo
Dude, they could have gone to the communists! Sounds like youv done a 360 Smile also
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-07-10 02:27:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Urina Aivo wrote:
Sounds like youv done a 360 Smile also
Well a bit, yes - I can see that the Japanese stuff is actually very interesting.
Urina Aivo wrote:
Dude, they could have gone to the communists!
Humm, I think you're right. But was it this that the Caldari oligarchs feared?

I don't really understand why the Caldari made the choices they did. Was the cost of entry too high economically? Did internal tensions arise between the different caucuses to produce their hawkish attitude, or, was it, as happened in Japan after WWII, the fear of an emerging, newly enfranchised, class able to apply pressure through direct action: occupations and strikes? Are all these question interconnected in some essential sense?*

Roga Dracor wrote:
... it is pragmatic. Caldari first..

Because the Caldari are "Honorable", they are very straightforward in their dealings with others.. If you understand their society, they are very good business partners..
That 'If' depends on the faction you deal with doesn't it? If you understand their internal factions you know not to deal with the practicals for whom 'straightforward' is an extra, the practicals are ironically not that pragmatic.


edit: *perhaps they were just scared of having to bail out Athounon.
Evet Morrel
Doomheim
#65 - 2012-07-20 07:36:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Evet Morrel
Evet Morrel wrote:
Roga Dracor wrote:
The correlations are numerous.. .
Japan and Caldari alike? This had not occurred to me, I'm trying to think why not.

The zaibatsu (the old Japanese family dynasties) which could be the analogue for the old Cladari families, were partially dissolved at the end of the war by SCAP; inadvertently creating the keiretsu. SCAP also ... and stopping uneconomic government intervention.

It's interesting to me that the Caldari did something similar to themselves after their war, without a government imposing it on them 'they cut away the rotten flesh'. Pretty implausible imo after all there are many ways that inefficient corporations can retain market share in RL, especially without pesky regulations. It is certainly not usual for wars to produce the effect. So were these old money Caldari family corporations too recalcitrant to modernise, or was there a political agenda - were they pro federation?

Unless, perhaps the tea ceremony had some part to play in it?