Science & Industry

While we're at it...the Adrestia is too powerful and was never properly seeded in the game. It only went to AT winners. So did a large number of other ships that make my poor T2 ships OBSOLETE and not worth flying.


Let's get rid of all that stuff too.

WTB rifters with snowball launchers.

Really ? So the only ever so slight advantage of T2 BPOs should be convenience AT A HIGHER PER UNIT COST ? What the heck are you smoking ?

Oh, you mean the (eventually) upcoming T3 things ?

Seriously, still on with that nonsense ?
Most of the current owners bought the BPOs fair and square with cold hard ISK.
How exactly is any of that a free handout ?

The same reason I'm not buying any T2 BPOs even if I could easily afford (over 0.2 trillion unused liquid ISK right now) to buy several of those that keep constantly popping up for sale (and DO get sold) - because you would get an even greater profit with less running around required by using the amount of money the BPO is currently worth to do something else (oh, say, large-scale trading), that's why.
T2 BPOs are NOT the only investments possible. In fact, T2 BPOs are amongst the worst performing investments in terms of RoI you can make in EVE right now - with breakevens in the range of 3 to 10 years (and most of them 5+), that's a paltry 0.83%-2.77% per month (without recapitalization), while SEMI-CASUAL (still less effort than T2 manufacture) short-term "daytrading" can easily yield over 10% per month (that CAN be re-capitalized) even at large total amounts involved.
Make your money back in 5 years of constant effort, or make 15 times the cash in 2 years of mostly waiting after some predictive effort, guess which one is better from where I'm standing.

Getting a non-recapitalized 1.66% of the initial investment per month while also needing quite a bit of trading effort on the side either way is simply not worth bothering with, from my viewpoint.
Hell, I charge 2% per month by LOANING ISK TO PEOPLE I KNOW IN RL (so I am fairly certain they won't try to scam me), and that requires ZERO effort.
Most public loans charge over 5% per month, and that's with good collateral.

T2 BPOs are a horrible financial investment at their current prices.
The wise choice would be to sell them ASAP if you have any... and do ALMOST ANYTHING ELSE with that ISK.

That's same profit I get. Could be higher if I could get materials faster to build more.

You calculated it wrong.

Here's a "novel" thought : how about buying them from the market ?
If it's not profitable to buy them from the market, why do you even invent at all, just build the components and sell THOSE on the market, since apparently that's where YOU get most of the actual profit from, component manufacture.
Plus, you don't need over 100 bil of ISK invested initially if you're doing invention. You're doing smaller batches anyway. You could easily get away with under 20b worth of materials.

11b a month sounds like a pretty good profit to me.


By the way, Copying a Titan BPO is a better use of 100b ISK than a Hulk BPO (and they're only ~80b, so you get 20b back before you even start), even with the drastic fall in Titan BPC prices.

If I want to manufacture most of the components, why I'm not allowed to do that?

Did he say your not allowed to, or anything about permission?

@Smohq Anmirorz
you cant access the prints remotely when inside of a lab to begin with... also, some ppl actually do work or are not able to log every 24 hours in, so a war might not getting noticed. Not that big of a deal, true, but if u can avoid it that so easy why dont rent a offcie for 10.000 isk (if its not crowded)? I personnly share akitas opinion that a smart person would just rent that office

Brewlar Kuvakei, why are you still telling people how to build castles in their sandbox?

Who owns T2BPOs? The same types of people who have BPOs that have ME & PE research already completed on them:

1. Players who worked to get them while they were available.
2. Players who ganked them out of ships or stole them from corp while unlocked.
3. Players who have WORKED for them & purchased them from players who had them already.

Players who purchased them illegally using RMT should and do have their accounts punished for the action, just like all RMT is punished.
The players who received them in an unauthorized fashion had them removed.

How do you even substantiate "They were simply handed as assets in secret to certain players by CCP" as a way that any of the t2 BPOs were seeded? Is there a reason they were handed out? (Reward for a contest? Noticed a bug in the game & determined that the players should have received the BPOs but didn't? Just felt like it?)


It's fair to say that EVERYTHING in the game is slanted so that players who have been playing longer can have an advantage...it's kind of how doing ANYTHING longer works. You are more experienced, more proficient, and more capable of doing anything you've done for an extended period of time.

easy avoidable and pointless inconveniences are kindoff stupid per Definition.