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Pay-to-Win to be introduced to Eve via Dust 514
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Vicker Lahn'se
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2011-10-10 18:02:26 UTC
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It is the deepest shooter with the richest universe ever conceived and, on top of that, by bringing to market an MMO with microtransactions, we could be changing the face of console gaming forever.


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If you want to pay a very small amount of money to play, you can; if you want to be heavily invested, you can do that too. We’re providing a more extensive array of options than has ever been seen in a console game.


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Similarly, a DUST 514 player could trigger an event from the ground and do something spectacular in EVE Online.


These quotes are from here.

Here's what I would like to know. CCP has placed a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are not adding pay-to-win to Eve. However, Dust will have microtransactions. Dust will have pay-to-win. Dust will also heavily influence Eve. How is this not introducing pay-to-win to Eve?
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#2 - 2011-10-10 18:09:32 UTC
feh, I said this months ago

all it takes is finding the right pay-to-win squad of dusties to make your gains for you.

I imagine there will be a brisk market for console players with liquid cash, daddy's credit card or aur, Best equipped dust bunny corps going to the highest bidder and whatnot

welp, people wanted an isk sink....
Richard de'Astley
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2011-10-10 18:11:37 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
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It is the deepest shooter with the richest universe ever conceived and, on top of that, by bringing to market an MMO with microtransactions, we could be changing the face of console gaming forever.


Quote:
If you want to pay a very small amount of money to play, you can; if you want to be heavily invested, you can do that too. We’re providing a more extensive array of options than has ever been seen in a console game.


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Similarly, a DUST 514 player could trigger an event from the ground and do something spectacular in EVE Online.


These quotes are from here.

Here's what I would like to know. CCP has placed a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are not adding pay-to-win to Eve. However, Dust will have microtransactions. Dust will have pay-to-win. Dust will also heavily influence Eve. How is this not introducing pay-to-win to Eve?


I seriously doubt Dust 514 will have the quality necessary to force other, more competent FPS developers, to copy cat and change the way those games are made.
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-10 18:12:29 UTC
skills>equipment in console shooters. so doesnt matter how much they buy i'l still win...

also chances are the only people who can be hurt from dust players are dreads or something in orbit.
Lord Ryan
True Xero
#5 - 2011-10-10 18:17:34 UTC
If Dust is like Incarna I don't understand what you are worried about you got atleast 15 years before it's functional.

Also Eve has always been P2W. PLEX, alts of all sorts, voice comms, caps, probably leaving out many things.

Do not assume anything above this line was typed by me. Nerf the Truth, it's inconvenient.
KaarBaak
Squirrel Team
#6 - 2011-10-10 18:17:52 UTC

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In that case, what’s to stop an EVE Online veteran blowing my corporation out of space?

Brandon: We have some rules of engagement that ensure nothing drastic happens without some kind of fair warning and time to prepare, this is basically carried over and expanded upon from large scale player-driven warfare in EVE Online, where sometimes users are coordinating battles involving tens of thousands of players at once. Additionally, there are things that you can earn or build, independently in DUST 514 and / or EVE Online, or collaboratively between the two, that will mitigate those scenarios.


Sounds pretty cool, actually. One could almost call it innovative.

Dum Spiro Spero
Rens Cheque
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2011-10-10 19:01:25 UTC
It's unlikely that CCP succeeds in delivering a game that integrates with Eve on a meaningful level IMO. Not too much to worry about.
Nerdy Deadshot
In The Goo
EVE Trade Alliance
#8 - 2011-10-10 19:05:48 UTC
Buy plex.... turn plex into isk.... buy a bunch of Super Caps and Super Cap pilots
Pay to Win
Sure u can do it other ways... you can earn the isk through the game... but you can already Pay To Win.

Now if your trying to argue that paying to win will be the only way to win with Dust... I'll just laugh and walk away.
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#9 - 2011-10-10 19:42:21 UTC
the final piece is DUST 514 and we’ve nicknamed that SIF, or “shooting in face”

lol
Generals4
#10 - 2011-10-10 19:47:27 UTC
Nerdy Deadshot wrote:
Buy plex.... turn plex into isk.... buy a bunch of Super Caps and Super Cap pilots
Pay to Win
Sure u can do it other ways... you can earn the isk through the game... but you can already Pay To Win.

Now if your trying to argue that paying to win will be the only way to win with Dust... I'll just laugh and walk away.


This. However one difference remain, this system makes everyone happy considering those who buy the plexes on the market save up some RL money which they obviously deem more valuable than the iskies used to purchase the PLEX

_-Death is nothing, but to live defeated and inglorious is to die daily. _
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#11 - 2011-10-10 19:48:39 UTC
Vicker Lahn'se wrote:
Quote:
It is the deepest shooter with the richest universe ever conceived and, on top of that, by bringing to market an MMO with microtransactions, we could be changing the face of console gaming forever.


Quote:
If you want to pay a very small amount of money to play, you can; if you want to be heavily invested, you can do that too. We’re providing a more extensive array of options than has ever been seen in a console game.


Quote:
Similarly, a DUST 514 player could trigger an event from the ground and do something spectacular in EVE Online.


These quotes are from here.

Here's what I would like to know. CCP has placed a lot of emphasis on the fact that they are not adding pay-to-win to Eve. However, Dust will have microtransactions. Dust will have pay-to-win. Dust will also heavily influence Eve. How is this not introducing pay-to-win to Eve?


How is this different from EVE?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Karim alRashid
Starboard.
#12 - 2011-10-10 19:57:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Karim alRashid
Interesting, why it is frowned upon if I spend my RL cash for PLEX and then a supercap fleet, but it's OK if some worthless unemployed scrub spends 18 hrs/day to obtain the same ?

In both cases we use our best out-of-game assets to gain ~in game advantage~, right ? Twisted

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