Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And being of a different race makes you more or less able to learn and understand certain computing languages/systems?

That's like saying a person who learns a second language will never be able to speak it fluently. Or that a botanist who was raised by computer engineers will never be as "good" as a person who was raised by other botanists.



If you WANT to be better at utilizing Lunux or Macs then you must use them more often, read the manuals, and stay up to date with all of their technical specifications. Just because you "are more familiar" with Windows-based PCs it doesn't mean you have an automatic handicap in learning a new system. In fact... you have an advantage over someone who is learning computers for the first time in their life as you UNDERSTAND the underlying principles behind the software/technology.

The same can be said for most other activities. If you sail small dingy and become intimately familiar with the mechanics and principles behind sailing then it isn't that "hard" to move up into larger and different types of boats... it's just a matter of learning how said boats operate.

Yes, agreed. A "familily history" of scientific study sets one up for much better quality of research and industrial bonuses recieved. That scientist can make a living as a military or mercenary pilot, just not as well as others born into those fields.

So, going against your natural born tenancies as a Scientist can be done, just your true destiny lies in scientific study. The opposite is also true; if the blood of a military strategist or mercenary flows through your veins, you can succeed in scientific study but will never be top of your field.

When is the last time you saw IRL a Cambridge Scholar in Economics slaughter the enemy on the field of battle; most cold-hard killers on the field of battle are not known for their abilities in scientific research. It is possible but very unlikely for people to succeed in fields they do not have innate ability in.

The same should follow for EVE. Racial bonuses help your piloting ships of your race. Sub-racial bonuses help to further push the envelope. Descendants of mercenaries have trade bonuses; family military histories make every breath be focused on war; and scientific bloodlines ensure greatness in research and manufacturing.

getting back to this thread, I guess they could become like the learning skills. but you could also say the same thing about things like capacitor skills. you can choose to ignore them and fly fairly well, or you can train them and have much better fits that do a much better job.
and I could see problems with making them based off of who you are since, as was stated, people like to train out of what they are, and for many people, being stuck with something they randomly chose and making them useless in what they want to do would be quite harsh.
and as was stated in the original post, when you started a new character you would get the skills for your races ships trained up some already. meaning even if they are clueless about these skills they would still be getting a good bonus from these skills.

EDIT: oh and one thing that it seems I ignored, I don't want one skill to effect all the guns because I want people to actually have a reason to use their racial systems. like not putting ACs on a myrm. or artys on a domi.

NO gain this is pointless as many people have said . It will only destroy the game for new players and restrict them to ships they may not want to fly . On top of that could you imagine the change it would make to the game mechanics . Pirate vessels would no longer be as specialized as they are . PVP would have to be reworked with new mechanics as god knows how the stats would actually effect the game .

That said each ship has its own bonuses . The higher you train the skill the higher the bonus gets . Simple as that that . Now maybe if it was a small bit faster to train race specific skills for that races ship then that's another story .

well that's pretty much what the ship skills do.

and ostraka, that would possibly be even worse since if a newbie saw the skill and jumped on it without knowing what it means then they would just screw themselves.

the german, because knowing the american he prolly did something stupid and gets arrested by the gestapo, whoops, i mean "Berlin Police Force"

way to ignore the rest of that, I was saying yes, the might become what people consider learning bonuses, but really pretty much all the basic skills, like cap, PG, CPU, and weapon upgrade skills are pretty much MUST have skills.



yes, you can still do that. it's not forcing you to use these bonuses, it's just encouraging it. and the secondary bonuses are not weapon system specific, so you could still do what you want and get the bonuses.



these are trainable skills so you don't end up with that. and as I have covered, it would suck for a lot of people who chose what race they are off a whim or because they liked their flag or something. then went to fly another race of ships just to fine they are losing to other players because of that decisions made potentially years earlier.

ok, one thing that I just thought of after looking at some of the threads on ow to fix gallente. since people are complaining about the gal bonus being for webs as that's a minmatar bonus. what about 5% per level to the effectiveness of active propulsion mods.
this way they could go faster than minmatar without actually infringing on minmatar being THE fastest race.