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New dev blog: Tech is fine l2p

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Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#221 - 2012-07-19 17:22:55 UTC
Lenier Chenal wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
let me introduce you to a feature of eve called "buying things on the market"

but that implies spending money, I just want to make things for free!


It's ******* like you that mine and think those materials are free that make industry hard to be worth it for those of us that would like to build, but realize that mining the most valuable ore atm is the only thing worth doing. You de-value your own ships by doing it this way.


Have you ever heard of this thing called ~sarcasm~
Zimmy Zeta
Perkone
Caldari State
#222 - 2012-07-19 17:23:10 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
(snip)
there is far too much cobalt in the game to cartel it, and controlling all tech + all cobalt would require us to control half of 0.0 and half of lowsec which is a little absurd



I would have expected more of you....

I'd like to apologize for the poor quality of the post above and sincerely hope you didn't waste your time reading it. Yes, I do feel bad about it.
Frosteye
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#223 - 2012-07-19 17:24:39 UTC
Welcome CCP Fozzie. Loved the presentation (obligatory graph and all). Lol Who tipped you off?

The jail reference was too funny. GL tackling the big problem.

I will be interested to see what sort of system you guys come up with for T2 Goo - perhaps comet mining? Be careful not to put POS's tottaly under the bus though. They should still be places to react T2 goo just not a place that has to be the sole spot to mine it - imho.
Elmanketticks
In Fidem
Outsmarted
#224 - 2012-07-19 17:26:48 UTC
i like this so hard i broke my arm while clicking 'like'.

The State will not fall. Join us. Fight. Conquer.

edit: disregard that, the state has fallen.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#225 - 2012-07-19 17:27:54 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Tyrozan
Tippia wrote:
In before “but all those lower-tier moons are in newly claimed CFC space! Raaahrr CCPSwarm!” P


and here we all thought that test was only looking for good fights? -snip-

Rumors without accompanying evidence will be removed. - ISD Tyrozan

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Rer Eirikr
The Scope
#226 - 2012-07-19 17:29:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rer Eirikr
MeBiatch wrote:
I am certain that in no way shape or form the csm would use thier
NDA knowledge to advance thier in game alliance...Blink

I mean Insider trading if only in fiction stories right?


Your right, because the minute they try to pull something like that CCP will probably pull out banhammers. Still its fair to say it is quite convenient, just don't :tinfoil: over it too hard.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#227 - 2012-07-19 17:30:50 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.


Guess what this change means to all of you:


You'll still be poor because you don't have the foresight, drive, or motivation to go after the things that stop you from being poor.

We'll be backstroking through our 9 trillion isk that we've made off our moons while you all try to figure out whats the next best thing to do (that we'll already be well on our way to controlling).


does that mean alex will stop giving you reacharounds and you can actually be a merc alliance again?

or did test win you over with man love?

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#228 - 2012-07-19 17:32:12 UTC
Zyress wrote:
GRIEV3R wrote:
Oh man, OTEC is probably going to QQ pretty hard at this. But I'm pretty sure they've already extracted their trillions out of it already.

on a semi-related note, wouldn't it be spiffy if, in the real world, if we don't like OPEC having a monopoly on virtually all the oil on Earth, we could just "tweak" the laws of chemistry and physics so anyone can make a replacement for oil in their basement?

ah, if only reality had benevolent Devs.


Like Bio-fuel, Natural Gas, and Hydrogen Fuel cells?


None of which are profitable enough yet.

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ORCACommander
Obsidian Firelance Technologies
#229 - 2012-07-19 17:32:48 UTC
i was expecting a bit more than just increased alchemy diversity. how about depletable moons that once depleted have the moongoo hot spot change to a different mood randomly in new eden? that furthers ccp's goal of encouraging warfare :)
Shanlara
Weatherlight Industry
#230 - 2012-07-19 17:33:37 UTC
Lilliana Stelles wrote:
Generating elements from other elements?

Cold fusion, or is spacewizard now a viable profession?


I kinda agree they should rename it to something a bit more "space like" alchemy sounds to much like fantasy somewhat :P
Ra Death
Samsara Exploration and Trade
#231 - 2012-07-19 17:34:01 UTC
I applaud changes to tech. I'm sure someone else has pointed the below out, but...

I don't want to resort to having to run 10 large POSes with 2 x simple reactors each, running PT with alchemy reaction to have the same output as a POS medium POS running a PT reaction with tech+plat.

Fuel prices are already inflated to hell and now you want to increase this even further? Shocked

You need to go back to the drawing board with these changes or release more information about how you look to tackle this problem.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#232 - 2012-07-19 17:34:58 UTC
La Nariz wrote:
None of which are profitable enough yet.
…much like alchemy.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#233 - 2012-07-19 17:35:35 UTC
MeBiatch wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Look at the angry mob of poors in this thread.


Guess what this change means to all of you:


You'll still be poor because you don't have the foresight, drive, or motivation to go after the things that stop you from being poor.

We'll be backstroking through our 9 trillion isk that we've made off our moons while you all try to figure out whats the next best thing to do (that we'll already be well on our way to controlling).


does that mean alex will stop giving you reacharounds and you can actually be a merc alliance again?

or did test win you over with man love?

ANGRY POOR SPOTTED

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Shepard Book
Underground Stargate
#234 - 2012-07-19 17:36:00 UTC
Group activities for the materials sounds much better to me than fat cat ceos skimming off the top.
La Nariz
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#235 - 2012-07-19 17:37:10 UTC
Tippia wrote:
La Nariz wrote:
None of which are profitable enough yet.
…much like alchemy.


Don't tell the filthy unwashed highsec masses that.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#236 - 2012-07-19 17:37:57 UTC  |  Edited by: EvilweaselSA
Ra Death wrote:
I applaud changes to tech. I'm sure someone else has pointed the below out, but...

I don't want to resort to having to run 10 large POSes with 2 x simple reactors each, running PT with alchemy reaction to have the same output as a POS medium POS running a PT reaction with tech+plat.

and i want a pony
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#237 - 2012-07-19 17:40:22 UTC
ORCACommander wrote:
i was expecting a bit more than just increased alchemy diversity. how about depletable moons that once depleted have the moongoo hot spot change to a different mood randomly in new eden? that furthers ccp's goal of encouraging warfare :)

ORCA "hasn't scanned regions full of moons yet" Commander unironically chipping in.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DazedOne
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#238 - 2012-07-19 17:41:23 UTC  |  Edited by: DazedOne
[/quote]Clearly the solution is to add moon goo into wormhole space. There's hundreds of completely empty wormholes just waiting to poop out tech. Combine that with NOT listening to the terrible ideas about "stabilisers" and whatnot and you'd actually have some interesting mechanics imo.[/quote]

That is an awesome idea and me and a member of my corp were discussing this a few weeks ago. WH space is a perfect way to fix the issue. You allow WH space to start producing moon goo and see how fast the market fixes itself. This isn't rocket science folks.

The only reason this won't occur is CCP's undying loyalty to all the null sec alliances. I'm not hating on them, hell they did make a monster effort to control these resources. However, WH space is lawless space also and its common sense that the risk vs. reward that everyone talks about is there also, so this change should occur and would be the best way to equal things out.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#239 - 2012-07-19 17:42:00 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Wocka Wocka!

Remember that if you like this change you should hit the "like" button on this post. I need to know if this is the kind of work the community is looking for. ;)
…sooo, how that internal “like” contest going, by the way? P
Nalha Saldana
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#240 - 2012-07-19 17:43:24 UTC
It's a good idea but i doubt this will be enough. Turning 100 Cobalt and 5 Technite into 10 Platinum technite would currently make you about 242,500 isk per hour, which is about as much as some simple reactions and 2 of these running doesnt come close to having a complex reaction.