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Along with V3'ing of the Angel vessels on sisi, the Machariel has taken an approximately 25% reduction in visual size. I am oddly in favor of this change as the current model is only slightly smaller than that of a carrier. A carrier can (edit: almost) hold x2 unpacked Machs in its bay making the differential in size somewhat strange.


This brings me onto a interesting request. Would it be possible for all ships to be the appropriate size in regards to their cargoholds?


I haven't done the math but I imagine this would effect carriers and perhaps certain industrial ships. If these ships need to be increased in width or height you may have to increase the size of stations.

Not to mention supercarriers are only marginally larger then carrier and smaller than a dreadnought? The super carrier is a super capitals ship which cannot dock at stations and yet it is smaller than a dreadnought which can?


I assume that capital & industrial ships will see some V3'ing soon. Will this allow for further changes to model sizes?


CCP, you could add some really great immersion/grandeur to the game if you ensure that your scaling system is closer to reality.

Especially supercapitals are in dire need of this.

I stand corrected, the Macherial has a unpacked volume of 595,000m3. I think this need changing now that the ship model has itself been reduced to a comparable size to the other BS.

All other other BS are under 500,000m3 allowing for a carrier to hold 2 of them.

Thanatos = 13,095,000m3
Battleship = 500,000m3

A Thanatos should be x26 the size of a Battleship. Currently they are about x4/x5.

Well tbh it should look as though you have enough space to fit them into the cargo hold/fly into and dock.

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Smaller looks better it was always far to large.

I totally agree supercaps need scaling up... big time.

Supercarriers definitely need to be scaled up to somewhere near halfway between carrier and titan in size. As for resizing the titan any larger, would need to make pos's bigger so they have some place to park relatively comfortably.

Would also help to scale up the stations and outposts in low/null sec some as well, i keep expecting a light on top of the Caldari outpost to come flashing on and Tardis noises to start up every time i see an Anshar undock. like that little waffle is almost small enough to fold up and put IN the jump freighter.

CCP has a very screwball sense of the size or volume of their ships relative to their mass. They are usually larger by a factor of 10 or 20. For example, the space shuttle weighs about 2,000,0000 kg which is twice the mass of most in game frigates, yet the space shuttle is about 1/10th the size (volume).

Another real world comparison is a US Super Carrier which is about 100,000 tons (100,000,000 kg) and 330 meters in length. Its in game mass equivalent is the battleship. For instance the Abaddon is 103,000,000 kg, about equal to a US super carrier, but 1,254m in length, almost 4 times the length. Length is only one of the dimensions so I'm going to assume that its 4 times wider and taller too, which means that while the Abaddon has about the same mass as the USS Ronald Reagan it is 64 times larger.