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goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#261 - 2012-07-18 21:25:55 UTC
Nothing more to it. We had just heard of how hard they are and how there is always a collateral loss of at least one Logi, and therefore the cascade of whoever he was capping, and whoever he was repping, so on and so forth like all things in Eve we wanted to see if we could do it with no losses. Mission accomplished we now know that moms are easier than some of the assault site spawns that we alpha off the field before they get anywhere close to optimal.




Sorry to say no evil overlord plot to take the Mom from every active incursion site. No masterminded plan to lure all the noobs in Empire into a fleet and make ISK from their labors. No we never thought we were the 'end all, be all' of the incursion community, and that everyone else would have to bow to our whim, due to some power given us by the self importance of our own minds. No for those people you need to look elsewhere, I would, but I have been banned from their channels and no longer have access to their inner circles. :)



We 'ISN' and anyone that X'ed up with a T2 gun fit or a Logi 5 fit decided to go and see how well we could take down the incredibly difficult MOM site. Yes we were amazed. not at the difficulty but at the fact that we came with to many ships, seems 65 was overkill, 16 Logi's was overkill could have been easily done with 10 less DPS and a full wing of only 10 logi's. But since the site pays for 70 we brought anyone that wanted to see it done. Then we split the loot with anyone that wanted a piece of it smiled at the accomplishment and moved on to the next Incursion, enjoying the new blink in the wallet and the new friends we made in the process.


Ideally we just wanted to see if it could be done.
In the end we found out that our efforts were construed as some kind of takeover, and of course the knee-jerk reaction from those that felt threatened was to grab as many rumors and innuendo as possible and start a smear campaign.

I guess I have rambled on long enough, But I would ask that you don't worry about ISN having some master plan but maybe look to find the reason that so many people want you to think we had a plan and why it bothered them enough to ban, smear, and ridicule, another group doing the same thing they do, only better.

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Climb Mountain
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Herr Ronin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#262 - 2012-07-18 21:32:59 UTC
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23596328.jpg

Just a quick link XD

I'll Race You For A Amburhgear
Bozl1n
Shiva
Northern Coalition.
#263 - 2012-07-18 22:40:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Bozl1n
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Why did you kill mom prematurely, if I may ask? What are you trying to achieve?



We achived what we set out to do, see if we could form the numbers to take down a MOM site.

Can i ask anybody butthurt by this - what were we "supposed" to do?

Wrtie a nice letter "asking your permission"??

Lol
EDIT - Cos i cant type
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#264 - 2012-07-18 22:41:04 UTC
Herr Ronin wrote:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23596328.jpg

Just a quick link XD


I've heard some incursion runners aren't exactly hi-sec carebears but grinding money to sponsor their PvP activities. I hope they have healthy sense of humor and will laugh on this funny pic instead of turning ISN pilots into war targets.
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
#265 - 2012-07-18 22:57:40 UTC
it's a good start but so 2011 .
Next time try doing something new.
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#266 - 2012-07-19 06:44:22 UTC
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
it's a good start but so 2011 .
Next time try doing something new.



Greetings Mr.Fear . So you say it's " 2011 " ? And try to do something new ? I'll shorten down your own sentence and turn it back to you .

" Try to do something " .
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#267 - 2012-07-19 06:46:57 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Herr Ronin wrote:
http://cdn.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/23596328.jpg

Just a quick link XD


I've heard some incursion runners aren't exactly hi-sec carebears but grinding money to sponsor their PvP activities. I hope they have healthy sense of humor and will laugh on this funny pic instead of turning ISN pilots into war targets.



io

True . We have many of those in ISN .
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
#268 - 2012-07-19 06:52:30 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
it's a good start but so 2011 .
Next time try doing something new.



Greetings Mr.Fear . So you say it's " 2011 " ? And try to do something new ? I'll shorten down your own sentence and turn it back to you .

" Try to do something " .



we did, apparently you didn't run incursions at the time of interdictions or you're just plain ignorant, a little bit of search can enlighten you and save you from embarrassment next time.
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#269 - 2012-07-19 07:01:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Kodavor
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
Kodavor wrote:
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
it's a good start but so 2011 .
Next time try doing something new.



Greetings Mr.Fear . So you say it's " 2011 " ? And try to do something new ? I'll shorten down your own sentence and turn it back to you .

" Try to do something " .



we did, apparently you didn't run incursions at the time of interdictions or you're just plain ignorant, a little bit of search can enlighten you and save you from embarrassment next time.



What is this embarrassment that you speak of ? I saw 3 TVP FC's on grid while we did our first Kundulini site . One of them even tried to ninjaloot the mothership >.< . I guess the ISK is runing low in your " Basi replacement fund " . There were no other activities from any other parties . So no - " You " did not " Try to do something " .


Please read Goldiiee's post above to inform yourself .
LanFear TyRaX
Lead Farmers
#270 - 2012-07-19 07:13:15 UTC
Kodavor wrote:
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
Kodavor wrote:
LanFear TyRaX wrote:
it's a good start but so 2011 .
Next time try doing something new.



Greetings Mr.Fear . So you say it's " 2011 " ? And try to do something new ? I'll shorten down your own sentence and turn it back to you .

" Try to do something " .



we did, apparently you didn't run incursions at the time of interdictions or you're just plain ignorant, a little bit of search can enlighten you and save you from embarrassment next time.



What is this embarrassment that you speak of ? I saw 3 TVP FC's on grid while we did or first Kundulini site . One of them even tried to ninjaloot the mothership >.< . I guess the ISK is runing low in your " Basi replacement fund " . There were no other activities from any other parties . So no - " You " did not " Try to do something " .


Please read Goldiiee's post above to inform yourself .



LOL, what the hell is TVP ?
You're under the impression that I run incursion or care about them, take a good look at my corp/alliance, then search eve-o forums or evenews24 or ... for "incursion interdictions". AFAIK, we're banned from every incursion channel since we did the blackbird fleets, but seems like you don't know about it either.

Why would I try to stop you from killing the MOM ? Griefing incursions make me warm and fuzzy inside :D
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#271 - 2012-07-19 07:29:50 UTC
I will repeat myself one more time . Please read Goldiie's post above .

There were no other activities from any other parties . So no - " You " did not " Try to do something " .

Which part of this indicates that I think of you as a pilot from TVP ?


Oh and ... Please read Goldiie's post above .
DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#272 - 2012-07-19 07:37:53 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
goldiiee wrote:

We 'ISN' and anyone that X'ed up with a T2 gun fit or a Logi 5 fit decided to go and see how well we could take down the incredibly difficult MOM site.


TBH the MOM site is easier then TCRC's ( especially pre-loaded ones ). Brick proved it can be finished with less then 30 pilots at the end ( although you get no payout P ). The biggest gamble is the Alpha from the Lirsautton F/B's on a logi. Toughest part is getting the numbers to run.
Well it is now... the Revenant used to warp out of the site then warp back in ( until it got stuck on a wreck once & became invincible as NPCs do when they warp unlike PCs) Even the warp out warp back in Revenant wasn't that bad it just added some more time ( & Tamas ) added to the fight.

Been in a very few under 50 pilot MOMs: they are a challenge but since ISN is stricter about fits they may have a easier time of doing them TBH.

Hope some day to see a 'Father' site with a Sansha Titan wrapping up the Sansha Incursions & then a new pirate ( Jove, Drone, w/e ) Incursion
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#273 - 2012-07-19 07:44:58 UTC
Quote:
Hope some day to see a 'Father' site with a Sansha Titan & a new pirate ( Jove, Drone, w/e ) Incursion


+1
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#274 - 2012-07-19 10:54:41 UTC
Bozl1n wrote:

We achived what we set out to do, see if we could form the numbers to take down a MOM site.

You also showed middle finger to every incursion runner outside of ISN. Just wonder if that was the goal or a side effect.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#275 - 2012-07-19 10:55:57 UTC
Up to next
Zwo Zateki
Doomheim
#276 - 2012-07-19 12:28:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Zwo Zateki
Violet Giraffe wrote:

You also showed middle finger to every incursion runner outside of ISN. Just wonder if that was the goal or a side effect.

Do you mean TVP when you say "every other incursion runner"? The mom belongs to every capsuleer, not just TVP FCs.

http://cvmkr.com/R4JG
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#277 - 2012-07-19 13:14:22 UTC
Violet Giraffe wrote:
Bozl1n wrote:

We achived what we set out to do, see if we could form the numbers to take down a MOM site.

You also showed middle finger to every incursion runner outside of ISN. Just wonder if that was the goal or a side effect.

If that's ur perception of what happened, then that IS your problem, no?
Violet Giraffe
Space Giraffes
#278 - 2012-07-19 14:13:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Violet Giraffe
Flurk Hellbron wrote:

If that's ur perception of what happened, then that IS your problem, no?

I have no problems. I'm neither trying to offend nor argue. I am simply curious whether you realize what you did.

Zwo Zateki wrote:

Do you mean TVP when you say "every other incursion runner"? The mom belongs to every capsuleer, not just TVP FCs.

Correction: I mean every other incursion runner who was doing the same incursion, of course. And I don't think MOM exclusively belongs to TVP either, it's just that you cut other people profits by killing it prematurely.
Kodavor
Iz Doge Korp .
#279 - 2012-07-19 14:35:33 UTC
Please read before posting on the " Hot Topic " to avoid being viewed as a lazy , uninformed , outdated , butthurt average incursion pilot .


goldiiee wrote:
Nothing more to it. We had just heard of how hard they are and how there is always a collateral loss of at least one Logi, and therefore the cascade of whoever he was capping, and whoever he was repping, so on and so forth like all things in Eve we wanted to see if we could do it with no losses. Mission accomplished we now know that moms are easier than some of the assault site spawns that we alpha off the field before they get anywhere close to optimal.




Sorry to say no evil overlord plot to take the Mom from every active incursion site. No masterminded plan to lure all the noobs in Empire into a fleet and make ISK from their labors. No we never thought we were the 'end all, be all' of the incursion community, and that everyone else would have to bow to our whim, due to some power given us by the self importance of our own minds. No for those people you need to look elsewhere, I would, but I have been banned from their channels and no longer have access to their inner circles. :)



We 'ISN' and anyone that X'ed up with a T2 gun fit or a Logi 5 fit decided to go and see how well we could take down the incredibly difficult MOM site. Yes we were amazed. not at the difficulty but at the fact that we came with to many ships, seems 65 was overkill, 16 Logi's was overkill could have been easily done with 10 less DPS and a full wing of only 10 logi's. But since the site pays for 70 we brought anyone that wanted to see it done. Then we split the loot with anyone that wanted a piece of it smiled at the accomplishment and moved on to the next Incursion, enjoying the new blink in the wallet and the new friends we made in the process.


Ideally we just wanted to see if it could be done.
In the end we found out that our efforts were construed as some kind of takeover, and of course the knee-jerk reaction from those that felt threatened was to grab as many rumors and innuendo as possible and start a smear campaign.

I guess I have rambled on long enough, But I would ask that you don't worry about ISN having some master plan but maybe look to find the reason that so many people want you to think we had a plan and why it bothered them enough to ban, smear, and ridicule, another group doing the same thing they do, only better.

See Mountain
Climb Mountain
Look for Next Mountain
goldiiee
Bureau of Astronomical Anomalies
#280 - 2012-07-19 14:57:01 UTC

Trying to figure out this logic.
We asked for pilots to X up. We included anyone that wanted to fly in the fleet after we were sure the full quota of T2 gun pilots were in the fleet. TVP knew we were going for the Mom but their response was "Yeah right they never have the numbers"

Or to be more exact

Kamden Line > basically, whenever ISN starts talking about doing the Mom, they're full of ****.
Pro Engineer > guys just ignore what ISN are doing
PopplerRo > i doubt they'll do it

Followed by God complex comments like

Pro Engineer > do not join the ISN mom fleet
Comet Miner > dont join a fleet with a banned player like NGR
Comet Miner > if you join an ilegal MOM fleet with NGR you will be banned.
Tharkunn > who makes it illegal?
Kirra Xeldon > unsactioned by TVp/BTL/or TDF
Deithess > not approved by TVP/BTL or with formed by banned people
Kirra Xeldon > What makes anything ilegal? people back an authority that decided these things.

A momentary spot of reason

Kamden Line > If ISN wants to do the Mom.....they can.
Travis117 > pro engineer u still looking for guys?
Travis117 > once the mom is dead the incursion is done right?
Deithess > yes, they can

But then back to the God complex


Deithess > anybody who is flying in a illegal mom fleet will be banned from TVP/BTL/TDF
Cygnus Vanusk > if you don't like the way things work you can always right-click, close chat

Of course who can’t resist an opportunity to troll an entire community

Keith Planck > ISN was actually formed after the original goonswarm group from the goonswarm members
Keith Planck > when bricksqaud did the incurisons, they joined ISN too
Keith Planck > Test alliance jumped in too
Keith Planck > and now its just a giant ball of griefers

The best part was this moment of disbelief


[ 2012.07.17 18:26:05 ]Kamden Line > ISN is doing the Mom.
[ 2012.07.17 18:26:14 ] Deithess > relax
[ 2012.07.17 18:26:22 ] Kamden Line > They are actually doing the Mom.
[ 2012.07.17 18:26:54 ] Zoom Bullet > wait
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:02 ] Zoom Bullet > There popping the mom right now?

Of course what they seem to have been thinking is "but I haven’t made 500k LP and 4 billion ISK yet."

[ 2012.07.17 18:27:18 ] Kamden Line > Go to the Kundalini manifest, check d-scan.
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:19 ] Kasai Hightower > 10% shields
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:21 ] Herr Ronin > It is all LIES
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:23 ] Zoom Bullet > I checking now
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:26 ] Zoom Bullet > relax
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:28 ] Zoom Bullet > ill go check
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:43 ] Kasai Hightower > serenity and nomatech and all the TVP FCs are already here trying to be loot ninjas
[ 2012.07.17 18:27:45 ] Kasai Hightower > just ask them
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:11 ] Thror Ginkar > lt'es all take destroyers to loot their mom x)
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:18 ] Zoom Bullet > 2 ships on kundalini gate
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:22 ] Zoom Bullet > Dscanning now
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:36 ] Zoom Bullet > CONFIRMED
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:39 ] Nomatech > ISN is in Kundalini
[ 2012.07.17 18:28:39 ] Zoom Bullet > MOM IS BEING POPED

Seems like the problem would have fixed itself here if the TVP Fc's alts were able to 'ninja loot' the drop. But, even in that they failed.

At this point all sense of order breaks down.

Now you can’t have a proper Autocracy without control of the media. In Eve this means disinformation and restrict knowledge.


[ 2012.07.17 18:45:23 ] DaiseyCutter > All are welcome to join ISN if their style is your preferred play style....goons come to mind
[ 2012.07.17 18:46:21 ] DaiseyCutter > In TVP we have strived to grow the incursion community in concert with the other existing communities....In line with that, Nomatech did offer to work with Herr Ronin on our behalf and perhaps include them as their own separate community
[ 2012.07.17 18:46:35 ] DaiseyCutter > they have declined
[ 2012.07.17 18:47:02 ] DaiseyCutter > we sincerely hope you will choose to remain here but this is Eve and all are free to associate as they please

Followed by widespread banning, thereby taking the ‘making up your own mind’ process out of the ‘decision making process’ If you were banned you were no longer welcome, if you were not banned, you were very welcome.


[ 2012.07.17 19:31:16 ] Rayala Classic > FYI, TVP has been banning people who are in ISN channels, not just people who were in the mom fleet today. We'd love to have you, join ISN Secondary if you get banned, but otherwise be advised that you might want to tread lightly for a while.
[ 2012.07.17 19:36:15 ] Tardi Goxani > So what just happened with all the bans and stuff? WHere'd the incursion go?

I think this guy had the best comment

[ 2012.07.17 19:44:51 ] Sycotic Deninard > The drama is epic at times.

To ensure they dish out a punishment

[ 2012.07.17 19:48:25 ] Nekora > anyone got a list of who was in that fleet?
[ 2012.07.17 19:49:20 ] Koji Yakusho > get the Gestapo to infiltrate isn and get a list of people

I can only assume they had a list at that point because I was banned.


I never cease to be amazed by the number of people that cry out 'Liberty and Democracy' followed in short order by 'grab that guy and shut him up'



Things that keep me up at night;  Why do we use a voice communication device to send telegraphs? Moore's Law should state, Once you have paid off the last PC upgrade you will need another.