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Hemmo Paskiainen
#21 - 2012-07-19 08:14:02 UTC
Bernie Nator wrote:
I wonder if you can use the black ops bridge with, oh, lets say a crane. Logistics just got a lot sexier, awww yeah. Also, black ops work fine for what they were intended to do. Learn to work the mechanics.


fuel bay size: 6666 units

max 4,5 ly fuel cost (depending a bit on mass):

bo: 808 units
recon: 2500 units
bomber: 400 units
blockaderunner: 2500 units

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#22 - 2012-07-19 08:20:44 UTC
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Considering the only other ship class that can do bridges are titans, Black Ops are well worth the price tag imo.


First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#23 - 2012-07-19 08:25:01 UTC
Just as well the blockade runner can hold 5 times as much fuel as the Black Ops can. So you don't have to worry so much about fuel, as long as you plan your infiltration correctly.

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Hemmo Paskiainen
#24 - 2012-07-19 09:25:59 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Considering the only other ship class that can do bridges are titans, Black Ops are well worth the price tag imo.


First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.


You obvius havnt bridged a fleet of recons and bombers with a black op...... pls if you dont know where your talking about, dont post anything

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#25 - 2012-07-19 09:31:35 UTC
give them covert op cloaking device, then all will be good.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#26 - 2012-07-19 10:07:54 UTC
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Considering the only other ship class that can do bridges are titans, Black Ops are well worth the price tag imo.


First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.


You obvius havnt bridged a fleet of recons and bombers with a black op...... pls if you dont know where your talking about, dont post anything


Hurf Blurf, I never once bridged into 319.

Blackops are for bridging bombers and covops around. Its their role. Combat is not.
Hemmo Paskiainen
#27 - 2012-07-19 10:42:00 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Considering the only other ship class that can do bridges are titans, Black Ops are well worth the price tag imo.


First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.


You obvius havnt bridged a fleet of recons and bombers with a black op...... pls if you dont know where your talking about, dont post anything


Hurf Blurf, I never once bridged into 319.

Blackops are for bridging bombers and covops around. Its their role. Combat is not.


your wrong, since your a bad troll anyway i save me the effort of explaining again why your wrong... hf figuring it out

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#28 - 2012-07-19 11:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD TYPE40
Hemmo Paskiainen wrote:

your wrong, since your a bad troll anyway i save me the effort of explaining again why your wrong... hf figuring it out


Roll

At least I can *snip*

No need for insults people. And can we keep on track as well please, thank youSmile

EDIT: Edited out needless personal comment - ISD Type40
Hemmo Paskiainen
#29 - 2012-07-20 14:24:40 UTC
up

If relativity equals time plus momentum, what equals relativity, if the momentum is minus to the time?
Irya Boone
The Scope
#30 - 2012-07-20 16:15:00 UTC
need

CCP it's time to remove Off Grid Boost and Put Them on Killmail too, add Logi on killmails .... Open that damn door !!

you shall all bow and pray BoB
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#31 - 2012-07-20 16:17:33 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
give them covert op cloaking device, then all will be good.



People will hate you for that comment.

But really, the only thing that would allow BO to do that they can't already is warp cloaked. Which every other ship in a BO gang can do.

It would also allow CCP to remove the cloaked velocity bonus, and replace it with something useful. Like a combat bonus, so it can do something besides open bridges. Or a fuel consumption bonus, so you can take the gang further out. Or something, anything, other than a bonus that just what you can already do with a module that the ship is fitting anyway.
ABRACADABSTRACTART
Doomheim
#32 - 2012-07-20 17:21:07 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Sarah Schneider wrote:
Considering the only other ship class that can do bridges are titans, Black Ops are well worth the price tag imo.


First person in the thread to understand what blackops are for.

then what are its weapons bonuses for? if its just a portal in space, strip it down to its basic function to reduce its cost and the skills necessary to use it.
Shang Fei
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-07-20 17:35:46 UTC
Buffing Black Ops would make me and every single member of my alliance VERY happy :D

Although Black Ops are pretty sweet atm tbh.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#34 - 2012-07-20 17:50:17 UTC
xxxTRUSTxxx wrote:
give them covert op cloaking device, then all will be good.



Then what, you want also a smaller DD on it? -Chrome wheels and hydro damps so you can dub in front of your Betty Boops?

C'mon...

brb
Marzuq
Scarlet Weather Rhapsody
#35 - 2012-07-20 18:04:41 UTC
The only complain I have about black ops is that anything cruiser sized and bigger uses up way too much fuel.

A black ops bridge uses over 200x times more fuel than a titan bridge.

A great reduction in fuel costs and maybe an increase in jump range would be fantastic.
ABRACADABSTRACTART
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-07-20 18:48:42 UTC
Chribba wrote:
ABRACADABSTRACTART wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Do want longer LY range.

I can't help but wonder why, Mr. Total Pacifist. Someone has pvp alts...

Nope sorry no PVP alt. Only for the sake of being able to open a Black portal covering Emperor station in Amarr haha since it's just outside range atm X

sometimes I wonder if you're a Frog. The Big one.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#37 - 2012-07-20 19:09:06 UTC
ABRACADABSTRACTART wrote:
Chribba wrote:
ABRACADABSTRACTART wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Do want longer LY range.

I can't help but wonder why, Mr. Total Pacifist. Someone has pvp alts...

Nope sorry no PVP alt. Only for the sake of being able to open a Black portal covering Emperor station in Amarr haha since it's just outside range atm X

sometimes I wonder if you're a Frog. The Big one.

I don't even know what that means.

Am I ugly? Will I turn into a prince? Can I jump far? I die if you cover my pores?(that's probably true tho) (I gotta get out of this basement)

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#38 - 2012-07-20 19:59:47 UTC
Chribba wrote:

I don't even know what that means.

Am I ugly? Will I turn into a prince? Can I jump far? I die if you cover my pores?(that's probably true tho) (I gotta get out of this basement)


He is calling you French.

Karash Amerius Operative, Sutoka
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#39 - 2012-07-20 21:04:19 UTC
IMHO, Black Ops need:

In general:

Covert-cloak capability plus changing the cloaked velocity bonus to something more directly combat-useful.

(Learn to de-cloak/bump-tackle, you awesome hard-mode 1337 PvP'ers, you! It's still a battleship, FFS, those are not known for their ability to align-and-warp quicklyRoll)

Same raw HP as present, but T2 resist-proifile in line with the front-line T2 war-ships of their race.

Jump-drive/bridge:

This is beyond ridiculously under-powered at present--more range + the exception to be able to jump one system over + much less fuel use. Jump Portal Operation skill also reduces fuel use per level, right now there is literally no reason to train it beyond level 1 for BO Portal.

Reduce bridging fuel-use.

Reduce bridging fuel-use.

Reduce. The *******. Bridging fuel-use! [/facepalm]

Fitting capacity help for all four of them. (The option to pimp-up a few mods should always be open, but one shouldn't be forced to use pimp-mods just to be able to fit a ship at all, in some cases.)

None of this will make these into ZOMGOPSOLOPWN!!!1111oneooeneone!, it will just help them perform their intended roles--"Through the back-door" gang logistic plus secondary heavy(-ish) fire support and/or EWAR--properly. Enough so that you'll likely see more of them being used, and so getting urp-sploded in due course--and more ships urp-sploding is what CCP wants, no?


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Lord Aliventi
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-07-20 21:32:09 UTC
1. Cov Ops cloak
2. Larger LY Range
3. larger fuel bay
4. reduce the fuel consumption of the ships that it is bridging

Problem solved.