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EVE Community Spotlight #3 - Pandemic Legion

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Vaako Horizon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-07-18 18:31:21 UTC
"the freedom of choice allows" ??

BS!! if I wanna fly a carrier I am forced out into low/null, thats not a choice, that enforcement.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#22 - 2012-07-18 18:51:34 UTC
No.

Just, no.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#23 - 2012-07-18 19:25:09 UTC
Interesting 1300 members is considered a medium sized corp. What is a large corp?
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Cathrine Kenchov
Ice Cold Ellites
#24 - 2012-07-18 20:04:31 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Interesting 1300 members is considered a medium sized corp. What is a large corp?


Pl is the 28th largest alliance currently. All the top 10 largest alliances have over 2500 members.

So, by Nullsec standard, they are a medium sized entity
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#25 - 2012-07-18 20:25:14 UTC
Pretty weak blog post. It says nothing of PL's reputation, goals, or current place bloc politics. Overall it is quite vague about anything of substance. There's a lot to say about PL and their accomplishments, and their appearances in the Alliance Tournaments are far from the most important.

Poor eve journalism.

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Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#26 - 2012-07-18 21:03:02 UTC
Terje Teinturier wrote:
Seriously? The third EVE Community Spotlight devoted to TEST pets?


yeah, why isn't this an AAA Spotlight? AAA is so much better/more important/more influential then PL...
Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-18 21:03:16 UTC
I missed the paragraph about how PL likes to hack the client to pieces. Where is it?
Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2012-07-18 21:09:36 UTC
Ifly Uwalk wrote:
I missed the paragraph about how PL likes to hack the client to pieces. Where is it?


We removed it with the Sphere, CCP just hasn't noticed yet.

No sig.

Hatsumi Kobayashi
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-18 21:10:47 UTC
Terje Teinturier wrote:
Seriously? The third EVE Community Spotlight devoted to TEST pets?


Don't worry, someday AAA will also be worthy of a Community Spotl--

Haha who am I kidding

No sig.

Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#30 - 2012-07-18 22:18:38 UTC
Terje Teinturier wrote:
Seriously? The third EVE Community Spotlight devoted to TEST pets?

I did not know a pet could have a pet.

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Rythm
True Power Team
#31 - 2012-07-18 22:37:39 UTC
CCP Navigator wrote:
Terje Teinturier wrote:
So Chribba, Dotlan, and the first Alliance is PL. Don't you think maybe institutions like Eve University or RvB deserved this a little bit more?


You are somewhat correct. Both of these groups are on our list for spotlights, however, we felt that Pandemic Legion are worthy of a spotlight in their own right, especially around Alliance Tournament time in which they have an amazing trackcheat record.

corrected.
Kaycerra
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#32 - 2012-07-18 23:24:10 UTC
Really, I'm a bit sad to see this. The impression I was getting from the community spotlights was the contributions of members who have worked within the rules, to help the game, and foster a better community, featuring some of the most prominent do gooders.

And then, you shame them, and the entire project, by putting up Pandemic Legion, a group renowned for violating game rules (Inserting code, bypassing local, etc), a group known for prettymuch trying to cheat, or bend the rules to get the upper hand, including not using game-intended resources, to get their way.

Do PL have some really good pilots?

Sure

Are they good at combat when they have a massive highly expensive fleet present?

Sure

Do they get paid a ton of isk to help big name alliances out?

Sure

And yet, I fail to see the merit in those points, the points of which were highlighted in the community spotlight, making up for the blatant damages they have done to the community over the years. Yet, somehow, I suppose we should have all seen this coming, given that CCP can't seem to get the older grandfathered-in employees to stop creating bias by playing characters in major alliances.

Big thumbs down on this one, CCP.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#33 - 2012-07-19 01:14:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Just as an aside, why are we supposed to be going "bully-bully!" for some generic nullblobbers when there are a lot of people in this community infinitely more deserving, whose impact is genuinely lasting?

I really don't see what yet another wannabe-goon nullsec alliance really means/matters in the long run.

To name just a few (sorry, I'm purely awful at remembering names--besides the ones credited below know who they are) whom, on the other hand, do matter in the long run:


The creator of EFT -- arguably the most important and useful EVE-app ever. Also, the creators of EVE-Mon, EVE HQ, Pyfa, and EVE-Central.

The creator/designer of the original Tornado, a ship that is arguably becoming iconic.

The creators of the Talos and Oracle (IIRC, they also "placed" in the design-contest?), and if memory serves, the Naga, as well?

St. Mio (I believe it's her/him?), for this -- http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/dsp/ -- no-one who is even halfway serious about exploration leaves dock without that open in the IGB.

DeMichael Crimson -- creator of the Faction Standing Repair Plan from before all level 1 agents always being available to those with nuked standings, and probably no-one knows more about PvE in general that's still playing (as far as I know, anyway).


What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game?

Yeah, I thought so.

E: No, blowing up more space-pixels than others to claim ownership of yet more space pixels doesn't count. Potentially, anyone can do the same thing if they organise.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.

Darek Castigatus
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#34 - 2012-07-19 02:18:07 UTC
Wouldnt have been my first choice but i can see why CCP picked them, after all they are one of the most recognisable null sec groups, goonswarm being the other, plus winning the AT three years on the trot is a very significant achievement regardless of how it was accomplished.

I think CCP has demonstrated with the choices so far how broadly the net is being thrown when it comes to looking at potentials for this, I mean lets look at what theyve chosen so far.

1. Chribba - the most well known player bar none, in fact I challenge you to find anyone with even the most cursory knowledge of EvEs history who doesnt know who Chribba is and what hes provided for the community. This one was a no brainer and pretty much the only choice for the very first one.

2. DOTLAN - ranks alongside EFT and Evemon as one of eves most useful third party tools. I think they had to do one of the three early on and for whatever reason they chose DOTLAN. Having said that I have no doubt they'll get to the others down the line, theyre just too useful to be left out.

3. Pandemic Legion - one of the most well known and certainly one of the most succesful null sec entities, they could have picked goons but I think theyre as tired of the DEVswarm tinfoil bullshit as the rest of us (dont kid yourself that it wouldnt have come up if they had picked goonswarm) and they could have chosen BoB but i guess they prefered someone who still exists.

It also shows that they arent just looking at application writers and community personalities, that just being damn good at what you do in game for a very long time can also get a mention.

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Elektrea
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#35 - 2012-07-19 04:21:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Elektrea
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game?


From the top.

LRhacs
AFKposgeddons
Sniper Dreads (plus 5 regional dread fleets)
Gun Titans (Shamis was the first in the defense of Fountain to bring a combat fit titan on the field supported by carriers/dreads, soon picked up by IT)
Bombers (Gobbins was the first person to successfully bomb with 7 dudes in delve war 2, pick up by vee who was there)
ahacs (zealot and t3 variation)
Hellcats (we made popular and better fitting)
Firewall (Init ran the first firewall but we actually put it to good use with muninns/machs/abaddons)
Tengus (we were the first to show they are better drakes)
Slowcats
Shieldcats

I'm sure I can find a lot more, but the tl:dr of this is pretty much every 0.0 fleet comp you saw in the past 2 years was made popular/better from us.
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#36 - 2012-07-19 05:27:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Kaycerra wrote:
Really, I'm a bit sad to see this. The impression I was getting from the community spotlights was the contributions of members who have worked within the rules, to help the game, and foster a better community, featuring some of the most prominent do gooders.

And then, you shame them, and the entire project, by putting up Pandemic Legion, a group renowned for violating game rules (Inserting code, bypassing local, etc), a group known for prettymuch trying to cheat, or bend the rules to get the upper hand, including not using game-intended resources, to get their way.


I assume you have any proof at all for any of these accusation? LIke actual proof right?

Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
What has PL created, that has lasting impact, especially a lasting positive impact on the whole community and/or game?


As Elektrea said, most working fleet comps short of alpha fleet have been in someway shape or form taken from us, the current use of supercaps and their roles was in part developed off models that we use.

The outright usage of logistics ships in combat was developed first and foremost by us when we realized how crappy we were with RR BS and how we kept accidentally shooting each other when we wanted to rep.

I mean it may not seem like much to you but dictating the shape and pace of combat for an entire game for 3-4 years straight now is an achievement by any standards.

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cBOLTSON
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-07-19 05:44:03 UTC
People can bash on PL as much as they like, hell I would myself under normal circumstances.

Back when I started in 09 PL were THE force to be reckoned with. I recall great battles fought against pl`s sniper zealots.

They are there for a reason.


~ oh i mean TEST pets boooo, you guys are going down this alliance tourney rabble rabble....

The good old days of Unreal Tournament, fragging and sniping on Facing Worlds, listening to Foregone Destruction.......

Ron Bacardi
State War Academy
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-07-19 06:47:35 UTC
Kaycerra wrote:
Pointless drivel


Don't worry, I'm sure you'll get yours in 4 or 5 years.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#39 - 2012-07-19 06:58:50 UTC
Houm, interesting... PL is one of those names being thrown away each few posts but I didn't know until now who they were exactly nor why their name was being used so much.

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DarthNefarius
Minmatar Heavy Industries
#40 - 2012-07-19 07:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: DarthNefarius
Cathrine Kenchov wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
Interesting 1300 members is considered a medium sized corp. What is a large corp?


Pl is the 28th largest alliance currently. All the top 10 largest alliances have over 2500 members.

So, by Nullsec standard, they are a medium sized entity



OK I''ll accept that answer... I bet the median sized corp though is less then 50 Blink (probably less then 10 where is CCP_Diagoras? )
An' then Chicken@little.com, he come scramblin outta the    Terminal room screaming "The system's crashing! The system's    crashing!" -Uncle RAMus, 'Tales for Cyberpsychotic Children'