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Afk mining - What exactly is there to do while mining?
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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2012-07-18 22:33:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Equus wrote:
You really don't PvP that much do you? Or if you do I can say you're doing it wrong.


1337 PvP:
Warp to belt in Catalyst -> target Hulk -> press F1 -> go AFK.
Pipa Porto
#62 - 2012-07-18 23:25:43 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Equus wrote:
You really don't PvP that much do you? Or if you do I can say you're doing it wrong.


1337 PvP:
Warp to belt in Catalyst -> target Hulk -> press F1 -> go AFK.


The only people calling it "1337 PVP" are the miners complaining about it.

Adults use English, and would call it "Elite PvP" but then, nobody but the more literate miners call it that.

Nobody claims that Suicide Ganking is Elite PvP, as shooting at people who have chosen to intentionally disarmed themselves is pretty easy. That ease is because those people have chosen not to arm themselves.

Since nobody you argue against calls ganking "Elite (or any variation on that word) PvP," trying to paint us as having done so is what we call a Straw Man.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#63 - 2012-07-18 23:36:56 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Since nobody you argue against calls ganking "Elite (or any variation on that word) PvP," trying to paint us as having done so is what we call a Straw Man.


Mockery is not an argument, it is simply mockery.

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#64 - 2012-07-18 23:40:10 UTC
Equus wrote:
You really don't PvP that much do you? Or if you do I can say you're doing it wrong.


TIL structure bashing & fleet ops are doing PvP wrong.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2012-07-18 23:56:32 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nobody claims that Suicide Ganking is Elite PvP, as shooting at people who have chosen to intentionally disarmed themselves is pretty easy. That ease is because those people have chosen not to arm themselves.


You play modified EVE Online (afaik it's against EULA). In this EVE Online I play there's no turret/launcher hardpoints on Hulk.
Pipa Porto
#66 - 2012-07-19 00:27:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Nobody claims that Suicide Ganking is Elite PvP, as shooting at people who have chosen to intentionally disarmed themselves is pretty easy. That ease is because those people have chosen not to arm themselves.


You play modified EVE Online (afaik it's against EULA). In this EVE Online I play there's no turret/launcher hardpoints on Hulk.


Who's forcing you to fly a Hulk? You Choose to fly a Hulk.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#67 - 2012-07-19 00:31:53 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Who's forcing you to fly a Hulk? You Choose to fly a Hulk.


Can't get enough materials from reprocessing loot. And the fact that there's only few missions where you can get a lot of loot.
Pipa Porto
#68 - 2012-07-19 00:37:04 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Who's forcing you to fly a Hulk? You Choose to fly a Hulk.


Can't get enough materials from reprocessing loot. And the fact that there's only few missions where you can get a lot of loot.


1. You can always buy materials from the market.

2. If you feel you must mine, nothing is forcing you to mine in a Hulk.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2012-07-19 00:41:56 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. You can always buy materials from the market.


And get 1-2 ISk profit per hull/module. Oh, yeah!

Pipa Porto wrote:
2. If you feel you must mine, nothing is forcing you to mine in a Hulk.


Rokh works only if sanity isn't important for you.
Pipa Porto
#70 - 2012-07-19 00:49:26 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
1. You can always buy materials from the market.


And get 1-2 ISk profit per hull/module. Oh, yeah!


Minerals you mine aren't free.

Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
2. If you feel you must mine, nothing is forcing you to mine in a Hulk.


Rokh works only if sanity isn't important for you.


Didn't say you had to mine in a Rokh either. You can choose to mine in any ship with turret slots or a Drone bay (or any mining barge/exhumer).

Again, how is someone forcing you to mine, and if you can show that someone's forcing you to mine, how are they forcing you to use a Hulk?

I've been manufacturing for a profit for quite a while, and I haven't owned a Hulk (let alone mined) for some 2+ years.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2012-07-19 00:54:06 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, how is someone forcing you to mine, and if you can show that someone's forcing you to mine, how are they forcing you to use a Hulk?


Let's put it this way:

How many level 4 missions you have to run to build one BC hull?
How many hours you have to mine to build one BC hull?
Pipa Porto
#72 - 2012-07-19 01:32:47 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, how is someone forcing you to mine, and if you can show that someone's forcing you to mine, how are they forcing you to use a Hulk?


Let's put it this way:

How many level 4 missions you have to run to build one BC hull?
How many hours you have to mine to build one BC hull?


Maybe 2-4 missions. It's been a while, but that's about how many missions it takes to make 70m isk. Then go to Jita and buy the minerals and make the BC.

Longer than it takes to run 4 missions.

Again, how is anyone forcing you to mine in a Hulk, or even forcing you to mine?

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#73 - 2012-07-19 01:37:42 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Maybe 2-4 missions. It's been a while, but that's about how many missions it takes to make 70m isk. Then go to Jita and buy the minerals and make the BC.


Nowhere near enough loot to be reprocessed. Even with "we take = 0%".
Pipa Porto
#74 - 2012-07-19 01:38:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Maybe 2-4 missions. It's been a while, but that's about how many missions it takes to make 70m isk. Then go to Jita and buy the minerals and make the BC.


Nowhere near enough loot to be reprocessed. Even with "we take = 0%".


Where did I say that I looted or salvaged anything?

Make 70m ISK > Go to Jita > Buy Minerals > Build BC


Again, How is anyone forcing you to Mine in a Hulk?

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#75 - 2012-07-19 01:50:25 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, How is anyone forcing you to Mine in a Hulk?


Real question is: why there's mining ships if they are useless?
Pipa Porto
#76 - 2012-07-19 01:52:40 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Again, How is anyone forcing you to Mine in a Hulk?


Real question is: why there's mining ships if they are useless?


I didn't say they're useless. In fact, they're very useful for mining.

But nobody's forcing you to use them.

Anyway, having fun moving the goalposts yet again?

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#77 - 2012-07-19 02:12:54 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
But nobody's forcing you to use them.


What ships I could use for mining if I'm not allowed to use mining ships?

Again, I don't mine for ISK. I mine to get materials needed in MANUFACTURING.
Pipa Porto
#78 - 2012-07-19 02:28:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
But nobody's forcing you to use them.


What ships I could use for mining if I'm not allowed to use mining ships?

Again, I don't mine for ISK. I mine to get materials needed in MANUFACTURING.


You can mine in any ship that has a Drone Bay or a Turret slot.

Why do you manufacture? If it's not for ISK (or to save yourself the impression of spending ISK buying it off the market), then why does it matter how quickly it gets built?

Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-07-19 02:35:45 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
You can mine in any ship that has a Drone Bay or a Turret slot.

Why do you manufacture? If it's not for ISK (or to save yourself the impression of spending ISK buying it off the market), then why does it matter how quickly it gets built?

Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.


Do you use Rifter often to mine minerals needed for freighter?

What I meant was that I don't mine and then sell ore/materials like some miners do. Should I trash everything instead?
Pipa Porto
#80 - 2012-07-19 02:55:21 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You can mine in any ship that has a Drone Bay or a Turret slot.

Why do you manufacture? If it's not for ISK (or to save yourself the impression of spending ISK buying it off the market), then why does it matter how quickly it gets built?

Still don't see anyone forcing you to use that Hulk.


Do you use Rifter often to mine minerals needed for freighter?

What I meant was that I don't mine and then sell ore/materials like some miners do. Should I trash everything instead?


You didn't answer my question.

For what purpose do you manufacture? Your earlier comment about profit suggests that you do it for ISK.

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-RubyPorto