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POS Copy Slot Rental Service / Research Alliance (Closed)

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Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#1 - 2012-06-05 16:10:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenwoo Wa
Greetings to the people of New Eden!

Zenmak Research Incorporated, a subsidiary of SystematicZen Technological is proud to announce our new research facility. We currently offer POS Copy/ME/PE and Reverse Engineering slot rental services in the Lonetrek Region. Other regions will open up as the business grows. We started this research corp to answer a demand for lack of copy and reverse engineering slots in highsec.

Here is what we are offering and how it works:

We will invite your non-missioning research alts into our research corp for slot rental usage. The reason that your corp isn’t in the alliance itself is because copy/invention/reverse engineering slot rental isn’t possible from an alliance corp. Once your alts are in the corp, I will assign you a corporate hangar and a corporate wallet division for you to deposit research money into.

If your intention is to just rent out ME/PE slots, then we can invite your corp to the alliance and you can setup a corp office in the system to do research.

There is no risk of us stealing your money because you can put enough money in to do your research as you go. We’ve had good luck with clients putting in 5M at a time, doing research and then refilling their wallet to do more when it is completed.

Only you and whoever else you bring into the corp will have rights to see your hangar and corporate wallet division. This is done through Titles to grant out roles to said individuals. If you are bringing in multiple alts, a verification mail will be sent to verify ownership when dealing with multiple alts at one time.

Simply place your bpo’s that you want to copy into your corp hangar division that was assigned to you and select the appropriate wallet division to get started. Next, start copying, inventing, reverse engineering or researching! The funds will be transferred from your wallet division to the master wallet and the bpo will start its researching. When it is done, simply deliver the completed items to the Mobile lab you used at the POS and go pick it up. The rights you have for your corporate hangar are the same for that hangar as well.

You can also use the invention slots at the POS as well as the ME/PE slots.

We have the following number of slots available:

39 Copy Slots, 54 ME, 60 PE, 78 Invention, and 3 Reverse Engineering*

* The reverse engineering lab will be turned as needed.

We can house up to 6 different corps’ alts at once, this is because there is only 6 wallet divisions to choose from. We have 5 more waiting to be rented out! There are no limits on corp's joining for alliance research, however, so please inquire about that as well if all you're looking for is doing ME/PE research.

Please send an evemail to “Zenwoo Wa” if you are interested if you have any questions and I will send you the current rates and more details.
Lando Antilles
#2 - 2012-06-05 17:13:10 UTC
While I commend your effort (truth be told I've been trying to find a way to pull this off myself), there are some unanswered questions that you must address...


  1. How do you secure renter BPOs from your director and CEOs, who have access by default?
  2. How will you deal with the possibility of renters cancelling the research jobs of other renters and pilots from corps that join for ME/PE. Since the Factory manager role has this inherent power, there is always potential for this to be a problem, especially considering that the cancelling process does not keep track of the cancellor.
  3. What provisions are there for wardecs? will labs come down? will some be jobs be given priority? Will mercs be hired?
  4. Oh, and how much does it cost? What rates do you charge? Is there a hanger rental fee in addition to or instead of hourly research rates


Great idea, but frankly I haven't come up with a way to work around current game mechanics to overcome some of those sticky issues.
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#3 - 2012-06-05 17:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Zenwoo Wa
Hey Lando. Yes there are some inherent issues that come about, that can't be solved no matter how hard you try. I will try an answer your questions using the same format you asked them in.

1. There is only 1 director and CEO in the research corp. I know the first adage in eve is to trust no one, beleve me I thought of this a lot before I even created the corp. The only thing I can think of is that most often than not, the BPO's being researched or copied won't be in the billions of isk range. I mean its ultimately up to the renter to do only put in what they feel comfortable doing. The other thing I can say is that my main character name is in the research corps name. It would be very stupid of me to steal a bpo and risk losing my reputation over it.

2. This is another problem... the only thing I can say is that while the possibility exists that someone else can and does have the power to cancel a job, there would be no point in doing so other than to grief someone. Since that other person, say in Corp2 would cancel Corp1's research, they can't use the slot even if they cancel it because it will still technically be in use until the duration. So if this happens on a regular basis, I'd shut the corp down and refund renters fee's and mats and that would be that.

3. If a dec happeneds, we'd have 24 hours to get things in order. I'd say it all depends on the size of the corp/alliance that would dec us. There would not be any priority in this circumstance. Jobs would be cancelled, and a note would be taken on if there were any actual mats being used at the time, datacores, datasheets, reports, etc. They would be reimbursed to the renters. Labs would most likely come down as well. Mercs would be considered to be hired on an as needed basis.

4. I actually did have this in the original post, but the post table didn't transfer over correctly so I took it out. See below:
Also, there is no hanger fee, unless you join your corp to the alliance, in which you'd have to rent your own corp hanger in the system.

Copying:
Install Fee: 10,000 ISK Hourly Fee: 30,000 ISK

Material Efficiency:
Instal Fee: 7,500 ISK Hourly Fee: 18,000 ISK

Production Efficiency:
Install Fee: 5,000 ISK Hourly Fee: 14,500 ISK

Invention:
Install Fee: 12,500 ISK Hourly Fee: 1,050 ISK

Reverse Engineering:*
Install Fee: 20,000 ISK Hourly Fee: 79,500 ISK

Hope that answers some of your questions.

Zenwoo Wa
Christy D Floyd
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-06-07 17:45:26 UTC
One would think if you really wanted to do bpo research you could.........


1.) Purchase a corp from one of the many corp sellers with standings above 7 so you can anchor your tower almost anywhere. These corps cost roughly 200mil and is well worth it.


for all other steps read this.


http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/shameless/Empire_High-Sec_POS_FAQ_V1-2.pdf

Money is better than poverty, if only for financial reasons.

Eric Raeder
No Fee Too High
#5 - 2012-06-07 23:36:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Eric Raeder
Christy D Floyd wrote:
One would think if you really wanted to do bpo research you could.........


1.) Purchase a corp from one of the many corp sellers with standings above 7 so you can anchor your tower almost anywhere. These corps cost roughly 200mil and is well worth it.




I expect some players don't want to deal with all the hassle of POS setup and management. I am just about to put up my own POS, my new corp's standings should pop up tomorrow, but I have to say I'm tempted to ditch the notion and go with these guys.

To me, the problem is much less BPO research than copy slots, and judging by the slot counts the OP has given he feels the same, he could have a lot more ME slots if he gave up some copy slots.

It does seem odd that he wants to charge so much for PE and invention slots, which can be found idle in public stations all over highsec.
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#6 - 2012-06-08 00:42:53 UTC
Hey guys, thanks for the input and feedback. The rates could change for invention/PE, it was more along the lines of what I've seen in the past. The advantage of using POS invention is that its faster than station invention.

My main thought was to have up the POS for copy usage mostly.

Yutaka Anzwaru
Rock Soledin Research
#7 - 2012-06-09 01:32:06 UTC
Eric Raeder wrote:


I expect some players don't want to deal with all the hassle of POS setup and management. I am just about to put up my own POS, my new corp's standings should pop up tomorrow, but I have to say I'm tempted to ditch the notion and go with these guys.

To me, the problem is much less BPO research than copy slots, and judging by the slot counts the OP has given he feels the same, he could have a lot more ME slots if he gave up some copy slots.

It does seem odd that he wants to charge so much for PE and invention slots, which can be found idle in public stations all over highsec.


Disclaimer: I'm the first research alt into Zen's corp and have helped him to work out the kinks and am also a friend. So, with that in mind...

I'm one of those players that you're referring to. I don't want to deal with the refueling, the large capital outlay upfront, nor the hassle of dealing with wardecs. Could I do this myself? Sure. Do I want to? No.

As you've pointed out, I'm using this for copies, copies, copies. I've also joined my main's corp to the alliance to take advantage of the ME; primarily because my research alt is new and my main research character has better skills - that, and my previous alliance (One Stop Research [ONST]) has been offline since Burn Jita.

As you've pointed out, PE and Invention can be done elsewhere (and I've been doing them elsewhere on my main), but I see that Zenwoo is going to adjust the prices with that in mind, so that's good feedback (as he said). I'm sure if he could setup the labs to do only copies & ME, he would.

The other plus is that Reverse Engineering is available on request. I'm not at the skill level to take advantage of it... yet. But for someone who's primarily a high-sec player, this really fits my needs.

Having known Zen for a while, we've chatted about this quite a bit. Primarily, he's kicking this out there as an experiment to find ways to flex the boundaries of typical research in EVE. If CCP were to adjust their rules, this wouldn't be necessary. Given the current state of things, he wanted to see if he could fill a niche for players that aren't interested in running their own stations. Obviously, I'd also like to see it succeed since I don't want to lose access to this nor kick up my own station. Hopefully there are others that will agree.
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#8 - 2012-06-09 03:45:04 UTC
Updated Prices to reflect feedback :)
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#9 - 2012-06-14 23:49:15 UTC
Bump. Still room in the main corp for research alts for copy jobs :)
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#10 - 2012-06-20 18:22:38 UTC
Bump. Still space available in the main corp for copy slots.

There is also room in the alliance if anyone need to do research ME / PE. :)
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#11 - 2012-07-02 19:56:04 UTC
Bump for over 400 copies delivered so far!
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#12 - 2012-07-07 15:15:53 UTC
Added Customer Loyalty Program for Copy Slots:

Quote:
Hi All!

Zenmak Research Incorporated is proud to announce a new loyalty program!

Every month we will tally up your ISK spent on copy slot rental and transfer 2.5% of the total amount back into your respective corp wallet division. Use that extra ISK for more research or transfer it out and into your own personal wallet.

This does not apply to ME, PE, Invention, Reverse Engineering, or Alliance jobs.

Thanks for being a loyal customer for copy slots!

Zen


Also Bump for adding another corp into the alliance! :)
ISD Dosnix
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#13 - 2012-07-08 13:43:09 UTC
Moved your Thread to EVE Marketplace ;)
I´ll thin this suits better ;)

Have a nice day and a free bumb

ISD Dosnix

[b]ISD Dosnix Lieutenant Community Communication Liasons (CCL) Interstellar Service Department[/b]

Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#14 - 2012-07-12 01:19:19 UTC
Bump
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#15 - 2012-07-18 21:32:07 UTC
Bump, also added an in-game channel in case anyone wanted any information about the services we offer.

You can join our channel: ZenmakResearch

Thanks :)

Zen
FightTh3p0w3r
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#16 - 2012-07-18 22:15:55 UTC
You should take a look into New Eden Research..... Your prices are pretty high as aany corp can join the alliance and use the many pos's to rent ME / PE slots, of course due to game mechanics you can't rent other slots to alliance members, but most corps will do what your doing and price lower aswell.

http://eve-ner.net/labs.php
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#17 - 2012-07-18 22:39:27 UTC
Thanks for the feedback, however, as I stated in the original post, my primary goal was to fill a niche in the market for copy slot rental. Most of the labs are Advanced Labs for copying. While there are ME/PE slots available for alliance usage, it wasn't a primary goal of mine.
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#18 - 2012-07-22 03:37:10 UTC
Bump.

We have expanded our capacity to accommodate more ME/PE slots from the corporation and the alliance.

We are still looking for more copy renters!
Zenwoo Wa
Zenmak Manufacturing and Associates
#19 - 2012-07-31 17:45:08 UTC
Friendly Bump :)

Still looking for more renters!
Zoera
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-07 16:03:41 UTC
I have a research alt renting space from Zenwoo, and it's working out beautifully. I have zero wait time on ME/PE reserach, with plenty of slots available, and a fair cost.

Definately something to look in to if you are having trouble finding research slots.
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