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Super capital nerf... Fighter (range) question.

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Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2011-10-10 16:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Emmerik
Quote:
Reduce drone capacity.

Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern: 125000 (25 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)
Hel and Nyx: 150000 (30 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)

lets take the Wyvern for example.
Does that mean the Wyvern can only hold a Max of 25?
or 25 Fighter and 25 Bombers?

and will there be any buff so that these Fighters (bombers) can hit POS?
or is POS shoot a no go with super carriers
xxxak
Perkone
Caldari State
#2 - 2011-10-10 16:43:51 UTC
Emmerik wrote:
Quote:
Reduce drone capacity.

Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern: 125000 (25 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)
Hel and Nyx: 150000 (30 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)

lets take the Wyvern for example.
Does that mean the Wyvern can only hold a Max of 25?
or 25 Fighter and 25 Bombers?

and will there be any buff so that these Fighters (bombers) can hit POS?
or is POS shoot a no go with super carriers


where are you getting this from?

[u]The nerfs to supercaps will cause more super pilots to join the largest alliances who can properly "support" their deployment, further concentrating firepower/wealth in EVE. The end result will be fewer "fun" fights, and will hurt EVE in the long run.[/u]
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#3 - 2011-10-10 16:44:13 UTC
Laand
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-10-10 16:55:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Laand
Emmerik wrote:
Quote:
Reduce drone capacity.

Aeon, Revenant and Wyvern: 125000 (25 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)
Hel and Nyx: 150000 (30 total Fighters + Fighter Bombers)

lets take the Wyvern for example.
Does that mean the Wyvern can only hold a Max of 25?
or 25 Fighter and 25 Bombers?

and will there be any buff so that these Fighters (bombers) can hit POS?
or is POS shoot a no go with super carriers


Fighter = Fighter Bomber = 5000 m³

125000 m³ / 5000 m³ = 25


EDIT: POS Shooting = Dreadnoughts
So I guess no plans for changing fighter bombers for that
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2011-10-10 17:02:42 UTC
Yeah... so 25 max in total (fighters or bombers)

Well... good nerf I think, to bad that we can't use Sentry's anymore on POS,
but I think I can handle that ^^
Sanguine Sky
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-10 17:05:13 UTC
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.
Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#7 - 2011-10-10 17:07:23 UTC
Not to even mention how the Leviathan now cannot mine at all! At least right now it can use 5 mining drones!

And poor Veldnaught!

/c

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Sgt Maru
Perkone
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-10 17:13:20 UTC
I didn't want a Wyvern anyway...maybe I'll just stop training for it now...
theTrade alt
Mc'Raging Productions
#9 - 2011-10-10 17:14:33 UTC
Sanguine Sky wrote:
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.



Translation: Oh no! they are nerfing the most OP ship in the game. no longer can we just drop on everything that moves! we need a support fleet again?! We need to pick our fit depending on the enemy fleet?! i quit!
CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#10 - 2011-10-10 17:15:11 UTC
As an FYI, CCP tallest is answering questions in this thread. If you post your question there you may get an answer much more quickly Smile
Emmerik
NED-Clan
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2011-10-10 17:22:17 UTC
Ow... nice... missed that, asked question there to
Mockio Noc
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2011-10-10 17:29:55 UTC
Sanguine Sky wrote:
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.



The Caps are meant to be flown in fleets with support ships. The way they are now you don't need anything less than a supercarrier for a fight. When the change comes you are going to need ships of all classes. Which is good over all.
Aqriue
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2011-10-10 17:45:05 UTC
Err, don't pilot a capital but they truely fuxxored them over with drones. Its amazing that CCP can add fuel bays and ore bays to some ships, but just hammer blow the sh*t out of it to remove them all together or limit the bay....instead of I don't know....a 500m3 or smaller bay on top of a bigger "FUEL/ORE/CAPITALDRONE" bay for example....limited bandwith for normal drones like 25m3 for lights or 50m3 for medium drones to deploy 5 drones at a time instead of deploying 20 smaller drones as every large ship should be able to defend itself and still carry a few extra flights as back up along with an alternate drone bandwidth for fighters/bombers.


Chribba wrote:
Not to even mention how the Leviathan now cannot mine at all! At least right now it can use 5 mining drones!

And poor Veldnaught!

/c


Ack, thats going to suck. Either a rage post of the Godfather quitting or selling off your super caps cause now you got no use for them. Hope CCP at least does a "learning skill" reversal on cap skills, some people may no longer wish to pilot them now (or at least add a new module that only allows 5 mining drones only which you can equip to any ship with a bay).

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• After a player logs out, there is a check for player aggression every 15 minutes. If you have been aggressed, the timer extends for 15 minutes; if you have not been aggressed, you disappear as before. Note: this is only for player aggression and will not change what happens when you log off during fights against NPCs.

See no one mentioned this. Got to love how the one group of bitchwhiners get their way and the others "Fix FW!" or "MAKE HIGHSEC SAFE!" get nothing, whats next...longer ship destruction?. Only reason I would love log off is to just **** off the enemy, who feking cares if my ship is saved just denying them brings tears to the forums, hell CONCORD could come out of no where when I logged back on because of the "unfair tactic" and pop me so long as it wasn't a player who recieves the KM.
Heimdallofasgard
Ministry of Furious Retribution
Insidious.
#14 - 2011-10-10 18:07:10 UTC
I approve of this nerf :)

BUT!

...

I don't approve of Nerfing the veldnaught... CCP YOU MONSTERS!!!
Dorian Wylde
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#15 - 2011-10-10 18:52:11 UTC
Laand wrote:


EDIT: POS Shooting = Dreadnoughts
So I guess no plans for changing fighter bombers for that



Especially with the damage boost and the duration reduction. I expect to see a lot of dead control towers.
Tyrhineld Malukker
Games Inc.
#16 - 2011-10-10 18:52:48 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Not to even mention how the Leviathan now cannot mine at all! At least right now it can use 5 mining drones!

And poor Veldnaught!

/c


ALL HAIL THE VELDNOUGHT!!
Incidentally id like to mine with you sometime Cool

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Logical Chaos
Very Italian People
The Initiative.
#17 - 2011-10-10 20:06:32 UTC
Aqriue wrote:
Err, don't pilot a capital but they truely fuxxored them over with drones. Its amazing that CCP can add fuel bays and ore bays to some ships, but just hammer blow the sh*t out of it to remove them all together or limit the bay....instead of I don't know....a 500m3 or smaller bay on top of a bigger "FUEL/ORE/CAPITALDRONE" bay for example....limited bandwith for normal drones like 25m3 for lights or 50m3 for medium drones to deploy 5 drones at a time instead of deploying 20 smaller drones as every large ship should be able to defend itself and still carry a few extra flights as back up along with an alternate drone bandwidth for fighters/bombers.


This. Just limit normal drones would have been enough. Like now you are 100% toothless with one bombing run
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#18 - 2011-10-11 02:46:33 UTC
Sanguine Sky wrote:
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.



This is like saying you are seriously gimping battleships because you can only fit 8 guns and have to choose between large guns, medium, or small.

This nerf is going to flush all the supercap pilots who don't even understand basic combat tactics right to the surface, exposing them for what they are.

Now, supercaps act just like any other ship - you actually have to CHOOSE what job you want it to perform, and equip it accordingly. Yet somehow this is mindblowingly difficult for supercap pilots to accept.

Sanguine, did you just skip flying all the other ship classes before hopping in your super?

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Sanguine Sky
Perkone
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-10-11 03:07:25 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Sanguine Sky wrote:
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.



This is like saying you are seriously gimping battleships because you can only fit 8 guns and have to choose between large guns, medium, or small.

This nerf is going to flush all the supercap pilots who don't even understand basic combat tactics right to the surface, exposing them for what they are.

Now, supercaps act just like any other ship - you actually have to CHOOSE what job you want it to perform, and equip it accordingly. Yet somehow this is mindblowingly difficult for supercap pilots to accept.

Sanguine, did you just skip flying all the other ship classes before hopping in your super?


I will admit my previous post was more a blind rage than a statement of fact, and with that I am going to ignore your taunt.
Nurdra
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2011-10-11 03:13:02 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Sanguine Sky wrote:
This nerf is bullshit. They're going to make it some super pilots can't even hold a full flight of bombers and fighers. I'm all for taking the combat drones off supers but this is seriously going to gimp the ship.



This is like saying you are seriously gimping battleships because you can only fit 8 guns and have to choose between large guns, medium, or small.

This nerf is going to flush all the supercap pilots who don't even understand basic combat tactics right to the surface, exposing them for what they are.

Now, supercaps act just like any other ship - you actually have to CHOOSE what job you want it to perform, and equip it accordingly. Yet somehow this is mindblowingly difficult for supercap pilots to accept.

Sanguine, did you just skip flying all the other ship classes before hopping in your super?



Not realy. You can carry a 2nd set of guns in your cargo and refit on a station.
How do you put 250k m3 of fighters in your cargo and refit on station in a sc?

You can't compare this.
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