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[Video] Rebirth 4 (Empire PVP)

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Prozacxx
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#581 - 2012-07-18 18:00:24 UTC
Nightmares view of being a -10 pirate is sitting in a station in hagilur Cool
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#582 - 2012-07-18 18:02:09 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Prozacxx wrote:
Nightmares view of being a -10 pirate is sitting in a station in hagilur Cool


Oh, i have done more gate camping than enough in my time i can tell you Big smile

Yes, it's boring. And that's the reason why no one in Rebirth is gate camping. We rather to roaming instead of just camping for hours at one gate.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Prozacxx
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#583 - 2012-07-18 18:02:57 UTC
NightmareX wrote:


1. I don't have the time to sit at a gate and killmailwhore all day long.


Good thing u spend all ur time in highsec hugging a station and getting 7 kills a month then
Klown Walk
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#584 - 2012-07-18 18:26:58 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Prozacxx wrote:
Nightmares view of being a -10 pirate is sitting in a station in hagilur Cool


Oh, i have done more gate camping than enough in my time i can tell you Big smile

Yes, it's boring. And that's the reason why no one in Rebirth is gate camping. We rather to roaming instead of just camping for hours at one gate.


You station camp?
ry ry
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#585 - 2012-07-18 18:34:11 UTC
Prozacxx wrote:
NightmareX wrote:


1. I don't have the time to sit at a gate and killmailwhore all day long.


Good thing u spend all ur time in highsec hugging a station and getting 7 kills a month then

With all the terrible posting he does I can't imagine there is much time for station hugging.

It's okay though, by not playing eve he is maintaining his k:d ratio, and for that I'd imagine we're all grateful.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#586 - 2012-07-18 18:37:27 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Prozacxx wrote:
NightmareX wrote:


1. I don't have the time to sit at a gate and killmailwhore all day long.


Good thing u spend all ur time in highsec hugging a station and getting 7 kills a month then


Now i don't know what movie you have seen, but all of my own fraps footages in my movie shows that i actually warps into a station to fight someone after someone actually have started to fight. That's not called station camping.

It's 2 different things in station camping and fighting at station AFTER you warp into the station.

If you take that as a station camping, then i will take all fights happening at any gates for gate camping, no matter if it's nano or capital fight at the gate. It's still gate camping then by your definition Blink.

EDIT: 10 more views and i will have 9001 views on my topic, that is OVER 9000.

EDIT 2: I have 9000 views now. Sweeeeeet.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#587 - 2012-07-18 19:12:46 UTC
Well, the problem with your video is that it is not poorly edited, it is just more dull than watching a catholic couple have sex.

Agent of Chaos, Sower of Discord.

Don't talk to me unless you are IQ verified and certified with three references from non-family members. Please have your certificate of authenticity on hand.

NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#588 - 2012-07-18 19:29:11 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Alpheias wrote:
Well, the problem with your video is that it is not poorly edited, it is just more dull than watching a catholic couple have sex.


I have no problem with that. But it's clearly written in my subject that this is an empire PVP movie. And if you don't like empire PVP movies after seing my subject, then don't come here and tell me the movie are bad when you clearly don't like empire PVP to begin with and when you know empire PVP can't get any better than it is in my movie.

If you don't like this movie, then you will never like any other empire PVP movies either, because when it comes to empire PVP, then what we do is the best we can get out of PVP in empire today with the current mechanics.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Cartheron Crust
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#589 - 2012-07-18 19:29:31 UTC
So, the editing in this video is pretty nice. The music is a welcome change from the dubstep crap that is prevalent at the moment. The only complaint about the editing is please get someone to proof read it before finishing. While it is readable and I can understand what you are saying fine it makes reading awkward and detracts from the actual video.

Now, if this had been a general recruitment video or an archive etc. of what your corp does (for corp use, mistakes, improving etc.) this would have been a perfectly fine as it is. However because it is titled as a pvp (empire or not doesn't make a difference) video it is a little boring. Remote Rep videos in general are boring to watch, unless you have a running narrative of the fight going along with it or the tank is being pushed to the absolute limit. Whether this is done with a dedicated logi box showing what the logistics/recon ships are doing or with overlayed TS/Vent recordings or even extended written commentary (not just at the beginning and end, listing ships fielded and killed). It needs to be there. Otherwise it is just watching a Battleship ball F1, F2, F3 things and orbit 1000 etc. Which while it is a legitimate and effective strategy for Battleship balls it is somewhat boring to watch on video.

All these following comments are about if it is meant to be a pvp video.First couple of fights are ok, second is a little meh, but whatever it isn't a suckfest.

The clip with the Archon fight in Derelik needed some kind of commentary, it was just way too long. The video clips of ganking the Battleships that escaped a previous fight is not needed, same with ganking an afk revelation at a station. While it is funny it is effectively just shooting a structure.

The best part of the video easily is the Paladin Kronos duo. Up until logistics reps start being used. Unfortunately, while perhaps necessary it isn't interesting to watch and kind of extinguished what was looking to be a really decent clip. Though this is slightly made up for by obliterating the bad Guardians on the opposing side.

The other fights were kind of the same as the first two. They didn't suck, but they weren't great. Just kind of boring to watch. Especially footage of being jammed and not being underthreat from dying (effectively watching a ball of ships while doing nothing). The huge box across the screen was also a big no no. It's just plain annoying. Even if it's needed to protect some channel or information, the viewer doesn't care. Wait until there is another decent clip/fight to use.

Hopefully as you said you are going to use fraps from other players you can get some from the logistics pilots and have a small logibox showing what they are doing. This would be massively beneficial.

More of the duo Kronos/Paladin stuff, less of the F1, F2, F3 0m/s.

PS - Also for a good example of smaller scale Remote Rep video watch Miriam Sasko's "Professional's". Will try to find a link later.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#590 - 2012-07-18 19:36:02 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Cartheron Crust wrote:
So, the editing in this video is pretty nice. The music is a welcome change from the dubstep crap that is prevalent at the moment. The only complaint about the editing is please get someone to proof read it before finishing. While it is readable and I can understand what you are saying fine it makes reading awkward and detracts from the actual video.

Now, if this had been a general recruitment video or an archive etc. of what your corp does (for corp use, mistakes, improving etc.) this would have been a perfectly fine as it is. However because it is titled as a pvp (empire or not doesn't make a difference) video it is a little boring. Remote Rep videos in general are boring to watch, unless you have a running narrative of the fight going along with it or the tank is being pushed to the absolute limit. Whether this is done with a dedicated logi box showing what the logistics/recon ships are doing or with overlayed TS/Vent recordings or even extended written commentary (not just at the beginning and end, listing ships fielded and killed). It needs to be there. Otherwise it is just watching a Battleship ball F1, F2, F3 things and orbit 1000 etc. Which while it is a legitimate and effective strategy for Battleship balls it is somewhat boring to watch on video.

All these following comments are about if it is meant to be a pvp video.First couple of fights are ok, second is a little meh, but whatever it isn't a suckfest.

The clip with the Archon fight in Derelik needed some kind of commentary, it was just way too long. The video clips of ganking the Battleships that escaped a previous fight is not needed, same with ganking an afk revelation at a station. While it is funny it is effectively just shooting a structure.

The best part of the video easily is the Paladin Kronos duo. Up until logistics reps start being used. Unfortunately, while perhaps necessary it isn't interesting to watch and kind of extinguished what was looking to be a really decent clip. Though this is slightly made up for by obliterating the bad Guardians on the opposing side.

The other fights were kind of the same as the first two. They didn't suck, but they weren't great. Just kind of boring to watch. Especially footage of being jammed and not being underthreat from dying (effectively watching a ball of ships while doing nothing). The huge box across the screen was also a big no no. It's just plain annoying. Even if it's needed to protect some channel or information, the viewer doesn't care. Wait until there is another decent clip/fight to use.

Hopefully as you said you are going to use fraps from other players you can get some from the logistics pilots and have a small logibox showing what they are doing. This would be massively beneficial.

More of the duo Kronos/Paladin stuff, less of the F1, F2, F3 0m/s.

PS - Also for a good example of smaller scale Remote Rep video watch Miriam Sasko's "Professional's". Will try to find a link later.


Ladies and gentlemen, here is a perfect example of a very good post i want to see much more of instead of the typical 'your movie sucks bla bla bla because of PVP at station and logistics being used' whining.

I'm gonna thank you for your positive critisism of my movie Cartheron Crust.

I know my movie isn't perfect and i know my movie wont please the 0.0 space fanbois'es, so i know that i have a room for improvements. So your post here is something i will note down to my next video.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Xu Da
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#591 - 2012-07-18 19:48:30 UTC
Well, your vid is bad, others already told you why, but at least its the most entertaining thread i´ve read in a while.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#592 - 2012-07-18 21:26:54 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
Actually, I'm a low-sec PvPer - where you take safety and throw it out the window (especially with the -10 sec).


That's all fine. I have been a -10 pirate many times through the years my self.

But why do you think Infinitus Odium (INFOD) that i was in earlier died out?

Yes it was because low sec was deadly boring and it was because alot of us got tired of how low sec is. 90% of all low sec systems are just ghost towns for the most part.


You have been -10 many times?

You dont even have enough kills to get to -10 once, so you are talking a lot of shite.


Check my employment history and you will find the proof that i have been in alot of pirate corps since 2006.

The reason why i don't have "that" much kills is because

1. I don't have the time to sit at a gate and killmailwhore all day long.

2. I do miss around 200+ killmails because of bugged killmails many years ago. 17 of those are Carrier kills i do not have registered on any killboards today, but i got those while i was in INFOD back in the days.

And the rest are from when i was in TunDraGon back in the days when we was in Rancer. I had 100 kills in Rancer there after 3 hours of gate camping. And one of the kills was one of the DJ's on EVE Radio. I podded her (yes it was a woman) to and she even announced it live over EVE Radio that she wanted her corpse back from me the day after it happened.

So there you have it.


I like how you start talking about gate camping as soon as I mention your **** poor pirate record, you CAN leave the gate and station m8.

I also like how you exactly how many carrier km's you are missing. Either you care a whole lot about KM's (hence the highsec "pvp") or you just made up a random number to stroke your epeen.

Either way I call bullshite.

Also confirming that camping Rancer for 3 hours, getting 100 shuttle/t1frig/noobships/pods in rancer with a instalocking/smartbomb bs leet pvp.

You are just digging your hole deeper shithead.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#593 - 2012-07-18 21:34:29 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Gibbo3771 wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Fidelium Mortis wrote:
Actually, I'm a low-sec PvPer - where you take safety and throw it out the window (especially with the -10 sec).


That's all fine. I have been a -10 pirate many times through the years my self.

But why do you think Infinitus Odium (INFOD) that i was in earlier died out?

Yes it was because low sec was deadly boring and it was because alot of us got tired of how low sec is. 90% of all low sec systems are just ghost towns for the most part.


You have been -10 many times?

You dont even have enough kills to get to -10 once, so you are talking a lot of shite.


Check my employment history and you will find the proof that i have been in alot of pirate corps since 2006.

The reason why i don't have "that" much kills is because

1. I don't have the time to sit at a gate and killmailwhore all day long.

2. I do miss around 200+ killmails because of bugged killmails many years ago. 17 of those are Carrier kills i do not have registered on any killboards today, but i got those while i was in INFOD back in the days.

And the rest are from when i was in TunDraGon back in the days when we was in Rancer. I had 100 kills in Rancer there after 3 hours of gate camping. And one of the kills was one of the DJ's on EVE Radio. I podded her (yes it was a woman) to and she even announced it live over EVE Radio that she wanted her corpse back from me the day after it happened.

So there you have it.


I like how you start talking about gate camping as soon as I mention your **** poor pirate record, you CAN leave the gate and station m8.

I also like how you exactly how many carrier km's you are missing. Either you care a whole lot about KM's (hence the highsec "pvp") or you just made up a random number to stroke your epeen.

Either way I call bullshite.

Also confirming that camping Rancer for 3 hours, getting 100 shuttle/t1frig/noobships/pods in rancer with a instalocking/smartbomb bs leet pvp.

You are just digging your hole deeper shithead.


Clap clap clap, you just proved me to be right about the amount of kills doesn't say a ******* thing about how good you are. Even if you have 2k kills, it doesn't tell us ANYTHING about how good you are. You have to look into what we have killed and the quality of the kills before we can start looking at the amount of kills we have.

Here is how i would choose as most important from 1 to 3.

1. What i have killed and the quality of the kills.
2. How many losses i have.
3. Amount of kills.

Yes, i have 17 Carrier kills that i miss from any killboards. It was even recorded back in the days when we did that. it was posted by an INFOD member that did record the fight we had against those carriers in 0.0 space.

I just proved that you are all gate campers in 0.0 space for fighting at a gate in the same way as you can call me for a station camper just because i fight there.

I hope you see why most of your arguments are terrible.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

DR BiCarbonate
Doomriders.
#594 - 2012-07-18 21:35:42 UTC
Posting in a epic thread, TY for many lulz
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#595 - 2012-07-18 21:36:39 UTC  |  Edited by: NightmareX
Xu Da wrote:
Well, your vid is bad, others already told you why, but at least its the most entertaining thread i´ve read in a while.


Just because we fight at a station or at a gate in the same places as most fights in low sec and 0.0 space are?

And just because we use logistics in the same way as most use carriers (for logistics) in low sec and 0.0 space?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Xu Da
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#596 - 2012-07-18 22:01:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Xu Da
NightmareX wrote:
Xu Da wrote:
Well, your vid is bad, others already told you why, but at least its the most entertaining thread i´ve read in a while.


Just because we fight at a station or at a gate in the same places as most fights in low sec and 0.0 space are?

And just because we use logistics in the same way as most use carriers (for logistics) in low sec and 0.0 space?

I dont have a problem with the stuff you do, its nothing for me, but so are other things. Its just boring mate, sry. Watch other preferably good small gang vids such as the Matari Exodus ones and compare it with yours, maybe you´ll see the difference No offence.

And dont feed the trolls, its not worth it Smile
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#597 - 2012-07-18 22:13:11 UTC
Xu Da wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Xu Da wrote:
Well, your vid is bad, others already told you why, but at least its the most entertaining thread i´ve read in a while.


Just because we fight at a station or at a gate in the same places as most fights in low sec and 0.0 space are?

And just because we use logistics in the same way as most use carriers (for logistics) in low sec and 0.0 space?

I dont have a problem with the stuff you do, its nothing for me, but so are other things. Its just boring mate, sry. Watch other preferably good small gang vids such as the Matari Exodus ones and compare it with yours, maybe you´ll see the difference No offence.

And dont feed the trolls, its not worth it Smile


The 'Matari Exodus' movies are doing another type of PVP than we do.

Most peoples just says my movie is bad without taking into consideration on how empire actually is and how it is to do PVP there.

If i see a movie from 0.0 space, i will expect something totally different than from seing a PVP movie from empire.

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama

Xu Da
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#598 - 2012-07-18 22:21:36 UTC
NightmareX wrote:
Xu Da wrote:
NightmareX wrote:
Xu Da wrote:
Well, your vid is bad, others already told you why, but at least its the most entertaining thread i´ve read in a while.


Just because we fight at a station or at a gate in the same places as most fights in low sec and 0.0 space are?

And just because we use logistics in the same way as most use carriers (for logistics) in low sec and 0.0 space?

I dont have a problem with the stuff you do, its nothing for me, but so are other things. Its just boring mate, sry. Watch other preferably good small gang vids such as the Matari Exodus ones and compare it with yours, maybe you´ll see the difference No offence.

And dont feed the trolls, its not worth it Smile


The 'Matari Exodus' movies are doing another type of PVP than we do.

Most peoples just says my movie is bad without taking into consideration on how empire actually is and how it is to do PVP there.

If i see a movie from 0.0 space, i will expect something totally different than from seing a PVP movie from empire.

i dont want to argue with you about that. Its both small gang, the exo vids are entertaining, even for most of the 0.0. guys, yours isn´t, not for me and not for the rest of the community. Its just not fun to watch and maybe its because empire PvP in general is boring, maybe it isn´t, but you got enough input to make a better one next time, you have to filter it out from the trolling though.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#599 - 2012-07-18 22:39:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Gibbo3771
I am not trolling.

I am being serious.

A killboard only tells so much until you look deeper into it.

I looked deep into yours and see nothing but ganks in the past, gate camping gangs and now highsec station camping gangs.
Your video also shows A LOT about how good you are at pvp, you never move, you dont do anything but hit your guns and wait.

I am not one to judge someone by their killboard but if that person is so ignorant, so blind and stupid its a last resort.

If you look at my KB you will see I do not camp gates, stations or anything else. I rarely ever fly with a gang above 5 people, we only bring logi if we are ganking a carrier, we only bring a carrier for triage if we are flying our 30-40bil t3 fleet. I have a continuous flow of solo kills throughout several systems and regions in eve. I can safely say I am a much better PvP'er than you in every category.

This goes for a load of other people posting in here. Youa re telling everyone that plays this game better than you, that you are the best at doing something that requires a bag of weed, 2 bottles of beer and an IQ around 45.

If I can roam nullsec solo in frigates, bc, bs, jump gates blind, take on gangs and win.

I am sure I can train/buy some neutral RR alts and sit on an undock and lock and hit f1. Just as effectively or better than you, infact to be fair it cant get any better than you because the entry level of skill is so low anyone with half a brain can do what you do.

You are nothing special, your video is nothing special. Stop trying to prove everyone else wrong and see the light.

I am honest to god not trolling.
NightmareX
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#600 - 2012-07-18 22:52:54 UTC
Gibbo3771 wrote:
I am not trolling.

I am being serious.

A killboard only tells so much until you look deeper into it.

I looked deep into yours and see nothing but ganks in the past, gate camping gangs and now highsec station camping gangs.
Your video also shows A LOT about how good you are at pvp, you never move, you dont do anything but hit your guns and wait.

I am not one to judge someone by their killboard but if that person is so ignorant, so blind and stupid its a last resort.

If you look at my KB you will see I do not camp gates, stations or anything else. I rarely ever fly with a gang above 5 people, we only bring logi if we are ganking a carrier, we only bring a carrier for triage if we are flying our 30-40bil t3 fleet. I have a continuous flow of solo kills throughout several systems and regions in eve. I can safely say I am a much better PvP'er than you in every category.

This goes for a load of other people posting in here. Youa re telling everyone that plays this game better than you, that you are the best at doing something that requires a bag of weed, 2 bottles of beer and an IQ around 45.

If I can roam nullsec solo in frigates, bc, bs, jump gates blind, take on gangs and win.

I am sure I can train/buy some neutral RR alts and sit on an undock and lock and hit f1. Just as effectively or better than you, infact to be fair it cant get any better than you because the entry level of skill is so low anyone with half a brain can do what you do.

You are nothing special, your video is nothing special. Stop trying to prove everyone else wrong and see the light.

I am honest to god not trolling.


My movie is nothing special like the 90% rest of the 0.0 space / low sec movies are to.

I don't want anyone to see my movie as something special either, i just want everyone to take into consideration on WHERE this movie is made from and how it is to do PVP in empire.

Can you expect as much from an empire PVP movie as you can expect from a 'Matari Exodus' movie for example?

Nope you can't.

When i see a movie that are from 0.0 space, i expect alot of blobbing and capital ships usage. When i see a low sec movie, then i expect to see some small gang warfare farting around killing stuffs.

When i see an empire movie, i expect to see Mercenary type of movie where some PVP'ers goes into a fight with some others who fights back.

This is how i looks at those types of PVP styles.

Can i ask how you expect an empire PVP movie to be?

Here is a list of my current EVE / PVP videos:

1: Asteroid Madness

2: Clash of the Empires

3: Suddenly Spaceships fighting in Tama