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Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#41 - 2012-07-13 06:34:22 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
a single client in eve does not benefit from HT. six clients will benefit because you can assign each instance to a discrete core, allowing two to stay assigned to the OS directly. if you VM - which, as i've pointed out several times, you should - you can even assign them during VM setup, since it's a built-in feature.

i would definitely go with a quad with HT from intel for the cpu.

i still don't think you need so much vram, but you've picked so i'll stop beating that horse.

as for a cooler, the hyper-212+ is still the best cooler under 50$ (for 30$ or so at newegg). you don't need anything more than that - since OCing would be super boneheaded for something that'll be at load so much, even a stock cooler would be fine. hyper just means that you'll have a lower internal temp.

remember that most coolers overshadow the location for the fourth RAM slot on modern boards (and you can't rotate them since often they're in the way of one of the graphics slots). pick RAM with low heatspreaders. G.SKILL ripjaw RAM, for example, will be too high and will probably bump the cooler if you use a non-stock with a big set of wings.


As I mentioned earlier, the 4gb versions of the 670 I was looking for was out of stock but regardless of that I've decided to stick with the plain 2gb version (2gb is standard for ALL gtx 670 cards).
If your contention is that even 2gb of VRAM is excessive then thats okay because I want the gfx power of a 670 - they are well priced and good value for money.

As for HT and instance allocation, I guess I could go with a 2600k.

Lastly, yes i'm aware of the space issues some coolers can have with the 4th ram slot on socket 1155 boards. G-skill's ripjaws sticks are the worse offenders given their tendency to have tall, protruding heat spreaders so I'll be getting one of their 'ARES' series of ram sticks, they are designed to have low heatspreaders.
ashley Eoner
#42 - 2012-07-13 22:53:18 UTC
Rectangular Prism wrote:
Ill keep this TL:DR
I'm buying a new computer and I want to run upwards of 6+ accounts with decent video settings on a single 1920x1080 monitor.
Do I get a video card with 2gb or 4gb of VRAM?

The clients are never minimised.
I couldn't even imagine trying to play on over 6 clients smashed into such a small screen. Since actually manually controlling them would be about impossible due to ridiculously small sizes I can only conclude you plan to run bots in which case I would like to discourage you from doing so.

On the flip side I've seen people posting ridiculous machines to run this game. I use an e7200 OCed to 3.6ghz (Hyper 212+ cooler is awesome) 4 gb of ddr2 and a HD5770 with 1 gb of ram and yet I run three clients (the main one is set to high quality others to memory) on two screens with good frame rates. If my cheapo several year old system can do that then pretty much any system listed in this thread would handle more then what you want.


Oh and make sure you're running a 64 bit OS :P
Rectangular Prism
Cuboids are important shapes
#43 - 2012-07-14 03:56:14 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
I couldn't even imagine trying to play on over 6 clients smashed into such a small screen. Since actually manually controlling them would be about impossible due to ridiculously small sizes I can only conclude you plan to run bots in which case I would like to discourage you from doing so.

On the flip side I've seen people posting ridiculous machines to run this game. I use an e7200 OCed to 3.6ghz (Hyper 212+ cooler is awesome) 4 gb of ddr2 and a HD5770 with 1 gb of ram and yet I run three clients (the main one is set to high quality others to memory) on two screens with good frame rates. If my cheapo several year old system can do that then pretty much any system listed in this thread would handle more then what you want.


Oh and make sure you're running a 64 bit OS :P


I suggest you read all my responses before posting next time. Yup I do have win7 64 bit.
As I already mentioned before the screens are windowed and stretched close to the full resolution of the monitor (1920x1080) and I'm not running Isboxer in case anyone was wondering.

Sorry, but the accusations that I'm a botter just constitutes a failure of imagination on people's part, "Oh I cant think of anyone who could run 6 clients at once, therefore bot."
Someone wouldn't be asking for computer specs to run 6 accounts accounts NOT minimised and NOT with low graphics if they were botting.

As for the difficulty of multitasking 6 clients at once - it varies on the composition of ships and their respective setups.
I usually take 3 buffer tanked bs with 2 logi (non-spider setups preferred since it means less micromanagement) and the last account is a boosting alt.
Impossible setups would be something like controlling a fleet of nanoships or active tanks, anything that requires cycling different modules at various times on the same ship is a no.
Most of the combat I normally do involves burning to optimal at a target, mashing F keys and then repair whatever damage is being done with logi during the fight.

This brings me to another question: given the computer specs I described, is it possible to run fraps in conjunction with 6 accounts? Is fraps CPU/ram intensive?
ashley Eoner
#44 - 2012-07-14 22:00:04 UTC  |  Edited by: ashley Eoner
Rectangular Prism wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
I couldn't even imagine trying to play on over 6 clients smashed into such a small screen. Since actually manually controlling them would be about impossible due to ridiculously small sizes I can only conclude you plan to run bots in which case I would like to discourage you from doing so.

On the flip side I've seen people posting ridiculous machines to run this game. I use an e7200 OCed to 3.6ghz (Hyper 212+ cooler is awesome) 4 gb of ddr2 and a HD5770 with 1 gb of ram and yet I run three clients (the main one is set to high quality others to memory) on two screens with good frame rates. If my cheapo several year old system can do that then pretty much any system listed in this thread would handle more then what you want.


Oh and make sure you're running a 64 bit OS :P

I suggest you read all my responses before posting next time. Yup I do have win7 64 bit.
As I already mentioned before the screens are windowed and stretched close to the full resolution of the monitor (1920x1080) and I'm not running Isboxer in case anyone was wondering.
If you're stretching the screens out to full monitor size then you are in effect minimizing the clients behind the top client. So your obsession with VRAM is completely irrelevant to your goals. Also your statement that you will not be minimizing any of the clients was also wrong.


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Sorry, but the accusations that I'm a botter just constitutes a failure of imagination on people's part, "Oh I cant think of anyone who could run 6 clients at once, therefore bot."
Someone wouldn't be asking for computer specs to run 6 accounts accounts NOT minimised and NOT with low graphics if they were botting.
Your assumptions run rampant. I run four clients at a time myself but I never saw the need to make a thread wanking about it. You are WRONG you are minimizing the clients behind the client covering the screen. Check the task manager in windows sometime and you'll see that the clients that are covered are using far less resources because in effect they are minimized(especially if you only have sound on for a few of them which I highly recommend). From the perspective of your graphics card those screens are minimized. So the only way to not be minimized is to have all the clients arranged to be visible and in such a case 7 or more clients wouldn't fit very well on your small screen. So the only way to possibly play a mess like that would be to bot them. Now I've come to the realization that your choice of words was incorrect and stem from your apparent lack of computer knowledge. So sorry for the misunderstanding on my part because I took your words at face value.


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As for the difficulty of multitasking 6 clients at once - it varies on the composition of ships and their respective setups.
I usually take 3 buffer tanked bs with 2 logi (non-spider setups preferred since it means less micromanagement) and the last account is a boosting alt.
Impossible setups would be something like controlling a fleet of nanoships or active tanks, anything that requires cycling different modules at various times on the same ship is a no.
Most of the combat I normally do involves burning to optimal at a target, mashing F keys and then repair whatever damage is being done with logi during the fight.

Well you've been saying +6 clients which means 7 and up aka "+6" = more then 6. So apparently you've been meaning to say 6 clients not +6. Like I said earlier I fairly consistently use 3-4 clients when engaging in activities in EVe including low sec. So you're not telling me anything I didn't start doing years ago..


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This brings me to another question: given the computer specs I described, is it possible to run fraps in conjunction with 6 accounts? Is fraps CPU/ram intensive?
Last I used fraps it was a program that stuck to the game clients and not the actual desktop view itself. I don't know if they've changed it but if they haven't as soon as you tab out of one of clients into another it'll probably stop recording.


Just buy the top end ivy bridge i7 k model get a coolermaster hyper 212 plus style heatsink at least a z77 top end mobo of your brand's choice at least 16 preferably 32gb of ddr3 2800 at least 2 preferably 3 GTX 690s a 120-240gb ssd with a 2tb conventional drive for storage at least a 1200 watt psu like Seasonic x-1250 or corsair pro series gold ax1200 which only run about 250-300 XFX proseries p1-1240-befx if you're scared to buy from seasonic (they are like one of three major performance OEM manufacturers that make the PSUs sold by corsair etc). top it off with a decent case for 100-200 and a good sound card like the xonar essence ST (cheap price and you'll hear a massive difference in quality) and bam you're done

Oh and while you're at it buy a couple of decent sized monitor's for god's sake. SOmething at least in the 2560 x 1600 range will give you a decent amount of screen real estate to really utilize those clients properly.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#45 - 2012-07-14 22:48:32 UTC
Hey guys!

Let's see how leet "soloists" we all can be by running an army of alts!

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#46 - 2012-07-17 15:09:18 UTC
ashley Eoner wrote:
Just buy the top end ivy bridge i7 k model get a coolermaster hyper 212 plus style heatsink at least a z77 top end mobo of your brand's choice at least 16 preferably 32gb of ddr3 2800 at least 2 preferably 3 GTX 690s a 120-240gb ssd with a 2tb conventional drive for storage at least a 1200 watt psu like Seasonic x-1250 or corsair pro series gold ax1200 which only run about 250-300 XFX proseries p1-1240-befx if you're scared to buy from seasonic (they are like one of three major performance OEM manufacturers that make the PSUs sold by corsair etc). top it off with a decent case for 100-200 and a good sound card like the xonar essence ST (cheap price and you'll hear a massive difference in quality) and bam you're done


BAHAHAHAHA

and a sound card recommendation too

troll rating 10/10 would bang so good

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ashley Eoner
#47 - 2012-07-17 23:29:03 UTC
Wingmate wrote:
ashley Eoner wrote:
Just buy the top end ivy bridge i7 k model get a coolermaster hyper 212 plus style heatsink at least a z77 top end mobo of your brand's choice at least 16 preferably 32gb of ddr3 2800 at least 2 preferably 3 GTX 690s a 120-240gb ssd with a 2tb conventional drive for storage at least a 1200 watt psu like Seasonic x-1250 or corsair pro series gold ax1200 which only run about 250-300 XFX proseries p1-1240-befx if you're scared to buy from seasonic (they are like one of three major performance OEM manufacturers that make the PSUs sold by corsair etc). top it off with a decent case for 100-200 and a good sound card like the xonar essence ST (cheap price and you'll hear a massive difference in quality) and bam you're done


BAHAHAHAHA

and a sound card recommendation too

troll rating 10/10 would bang so good
Okay time for a serious response. If you have a good stereo hooked up to your computer you will notice a magnificent difference between onboard audio and a good sound card. My on board sound while new has terrible S/N and frequency response plot. With the onboard my low end dies around 40hz while a XOnar allows my sub to extend to below 20HZ (rolls off hard at 12HZ). So between the way better S/N ratio and much longer flatter frequency response my speakers are performing much better with the Xonar.
Terminal Insanity
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#48 - 2012-07-17 23:30:53 UTC
i wonder if ccp will find a way to share video resources between multiple clients, increasing the number of plex's we can consume monthly.

"War declarations are never officially considered griefing and are not a bannable offense, and it has been repeatedly stated by the developers that the possibility for non-consensual PvP is an intended feature." - CCP
Avril Scorpia
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-07-18 01:28:12 UTC
I have 16gb ram and a 3gig Geforce 580M card and have had no trouble yet with 1900 x 1080 with max graphics (even anti-aliasing/anti whatever filtering and those types of fps murderers)
Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-18 13:24:23 UTC
Avril Scorpia wrote:
I have 16gb ram and a 3gig Geforce 580M card and have had no trouble yet with 1900 x 1080 with max graphics (even anti-aliasing/anti whatever filtering and those types of fps murderers)

...for one client?

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Verone
Veto Corp
#51 - 2012-07-19 03:43:13 UTC
Rectangular Prism wrote:
Verone wrote:
> Intel Core i7 980x (3.33GHz) @ 5.25GHz


Can I ask what cooler you use?


Sure, I'm running a Corsair Hydro H100.

The trick is to lap and machine polish the heat spreader on your CPU (be aware that this voids your warranty, as you'll be removing the details and batch number) and the copper contact pad on the bottom of the H70's cooler block/pump.

Works wonders :3


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Wingmate
Perkone
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-07-19 14:45:33 UTC
i lapped my first flat-base heatsink (years and years ago). it's a fun project to do that makes pretty good coolers much more efficient. i did it during a football game on tv and was done before halftime.

i make spreadsheets for pretty cheap. contact me for more info.

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