EVE New Citizens Q&A

Plexing one account takes a lot of work. You'll spend the majority of your time just making isk to buy plexes. It often is cheaper to just pay the sub and devote your gameplay to actually.. you know, enjoying the game.

Well assuming I just pay for the account I am still only making about 5m a day if I am lucky unless I rat or do level 4's and I would rather not play eve than do these level 4's just take way to much time to be worth it for me.

This is an issue to me, Realistically I would be happy making 20-40m in a day of playing without constant throughput so I could go lose cruisers.

See that's my issue, I am either very stupid or the guides are lying. I simply cannot make trade work. Ill have another look but for some reason trade hates me.

You can do trading in station.

You just need to be able to adjust your market orders and with day trading you can adjust them every 5 mins.

Rule #1 You do not reveal good trades to any one, Nor should you listen to any one telling you what to trade(it might be a trap).

Rule #2 Buy low sell high. Theres more too it then this. When you set a buy order for something it must alway be at least a couple isk greater then the highest buy order so people sell to you. Conversely your sell orders much be at least a couple isk less then the highest sell order once you acquire product.

Rule#3 Each of the major markets has its advantages and disadvantages. I was always told as a new trader dont start in jita, too much competition. I was delighted to find that this was not the case for me. Yes competition is high, but Jitas safer from market manipulation then other trade hubs and on top of that your more likely to flip product if your always keeping your buy and sell order updated, then amar, Dodixie or Rens. TLDR: Busy trade hubs: More work quicker pay off, Slower trade hubs: Less work slower pay off.

Rule#4 After you have found a good trade margin(difference between buy and sell orders) Make sure you check the market history graph and make sure the trade Item is moving. You may find fantastic margins on some items, yet sadly in a week, 3 week, or 3 month period hardly any are being bought and sold. Steer clear of these items. They can pay out but you got to wait a long time before they do.

Trading really is the key to wealth in this game.

You should also pursue other things to build up your liquidity. Mission running is fine. You could do PI which is great passive income.

Whomever told you Hauling will make you decent isk lied to you. It's no surprise you're not seeing any real profits from hauling. Just an FYI, 95% of all courier contracts are scams.

Unfortunately L4's is one of the more profitable things to do in highsec. Boring as hell, but profitable.

Station trading you won't make any money on because all the major trade stations have people using trading bots. They're not allowed and are a bannable offense, but it seems CCP has yet to develop a method to effectively catch them. You really can't compete against a market bot since they run 24/7 and can make hundreds of buy/sell order adjustments at a time.

If you want to give something else a try, I'd recommend either incursions or wormholes. I would've recommended running Plantary Interaction but tax rates in lowsec are far too high to be profitable.

Or you could find yourself, you know, a decent real life job that is actually a bazillion gazillion times more important than a stupid video game career and throw PLEXes in now and than and just have fun flying hulls around.

You only live once, and if you spend your best years working for virtual money, you will really hate yourself one day.

This. All my accounts are on the 360 day rolling sub. I want to play not grind for this or that or the other.

Advice from an unspectactular sometime trader. The specifics are not so important, the route I took was some lessons about what was driving the econonomy. That situation will change, & the better you undersand what is going on, the better equipped you will be to anticipate demand & be ready to fill that demand.

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Have a look at prices in incursion systems & see about supplying them with stuff that moves. I hear Blackbirds are pretty popular in incursions

Consider the advice both out of date & sketchy
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Longer version, the stuff I learned by accident while mission running


I don't spend much time in Hisec now & have no trading alt at present. Be careful about the following advice. The specifics will most certainly be out of date.

Its all pre incursion stuff & learned by accident when I was running Level 4 Missions & keeping myself supplied with ammo. Incursions has since become the best income in the game. Chasing them might be more profitable but also requires a more on the ball type of play. Incursion bears needs to be supplied with consumables for to keep them printing isk and they will most likely be happy to pay elevated prices to for the convienence. Time is money. This could be an opportunity if the incursion bears have not already got this tied up.

That being said:

I half stumbled onto supplying mission hubs out of supplying myself with ammo when I was missioning for myself. Then I used the loyalty point stores & bought faction ammo. High DPS short range stuff & sold it in the mission hub. (Hybrid Antimater L & M, Drones, EMP L & M, Cruise Missles & Torps, T2 ammo. Get a clue about what the mission runners like, preferably the ones using Mauraders & t3s, these guys will have the best income & will be less picky about margins so they can do what they do best. Later I noticed the margin wasnt that great in what I was trading (caldari navy cruise missiles).

Then I twigged that that ammo would sell much better at mission hubs who's loyalty stores can't sell faction cruise missles. You see some caldari pilots might mission for some reason somwhere where they can't exchange their t1 ammo for faction ammo. With an Itty5, fitted for capacity with containers inside you can hold *a lot* http://eve.j-e-b.net/. Including Containers, you can get nearly 50k m3! You're also gank bait so watch it. EDIT I think from memory I had around 15k m3 of faction ammo put into random containers. Spreading your cargo out incontainers makes you a pain to assess if you are worth ganking. I would also fit an Improved Cloaking Device and pre align while cloaked. I probably should of fit some nanos as even if you are pre aligned, you will accelerate into warp faster. Make it take longer for anyone to scan & assess you and shorten the time it takes to warp. Less opportunity to be ganked by profit motivated gankers.

Went down to a nice mission hub in Amarr space & put up a sell order for a good 40% higher than what I was getting in the caldari mission hub. How much did I for my time investment in comparision to running another mission? Not a clue. I had liquid funds from missioning & was able stock up with high value stuff. I was stressed on that trade run but it was profitable. I'd log off with 30m, log on a day or so later with 100m and that stock with an irregular surge of isk to my wallet.

Use your agent finder & filter by corporation, hisec & locality and you can find loyalty stores closer to your market.

I also made some mistakes. Station trading at mission hubs, buying up salvage & module drops quicksold by missioners & stockpiling to haultrade to a tradehub is fine in principle. You can combine this with reprocessing (there is a skill that reduces waste here as well as standings with that corp I think). The margins might be good but if the volume isn't great, & U have not been taking notes you don't know how much you are actually making to chase the better deals, much less compare this trading activitiy to other isk makers. Hauling that load a from mission hub to trade hub might not be worth your time.

I never got ganked but I guess the serious gankers were camping routes into Jita or something.

I have no idea about how time intensive the various strategies of station trading are (assuming you are not using a bot), but the ones that are low time investment, I imagine you could do alright with 1 max skilled for Jita trading to have the best chance of making a profit with small margins & high volume combined with station traders in other regional hubs with your primary attention to the jita trader. You can log off and get upto date prices by loggin onto another character & chase opportunities for haul trading.