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High-sec low skill exploration fits (minmatar)
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Leena Trocal
Trocal Incorporated
#1 - 2012-07-12 21:32:42 UTC
Let the flames, trolling, hate, and such begin!

I'm 3 months into my eve life. (no I'm not an alt, believe or don't). I fly in RvB, but the constant, and amazing explosions are both expensive and very very fun. So much fun, that I'd like to be able to afford to continue doing it and have begun exploration on the side. I'm well skilled with frigs and destroyers, and have assault frigs to 3 currently (all minnie focused). I can use and fit t2 autocannons and artillery. I'm looking to you the eveO forum goers to help me with fitting an all in one exploration ship.

It is here that I will say that I don't mind needing to go to station to fit the appropriate code breaker/salvager/analyzer to run down the site, so it doesn't have to be completely all-in-one. I've primarily been running down Gurista sites because they are close enough to RvB space that I don't have huge numbers of jumps to get back when it's pew-pew time. So please use that info if it is helpful in helping.

Thanks in advance for your help, your trolls, and your mocking about how bad I am because I'm exploring in high sec.

P.S. if anyone wants to include implant suggestions (cybernetics 3) I'm all ears.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#2 - 2012-07-12 21:51:40 UTC
This is pretty much the most perfect low-skill lowsec exploration fit ever, and pretty much the best possible use of this ship. I'm sure nobody will disagree with that. I've used a fit like this with reasonable success - do not fear that this is EFT warrioring.

Quote:
[Dramiel]

Pseudoelectron Containment Field I
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I
Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Core Probe Launcher I, Core Scanner Probe I
Salvager I
Prototype Cloaking Device I


Shield rigs and drones to suit the region. If you're indeed exploring in highsec, you can replace the nano with expanded cargoholds, and the cloaking device is pointless. If you really don't want an all-in-one solution, in highsec, then... anything will do. Put a probe launcher on it, scan down a site, save the location, dock, take the probe launcher back off. Anything you have great trouble scanning down will be something that you don't want to scan down anyway - but you can still stack bonuses (sisters probes, launcher, gravity rigs) to help with that. The best loot you'll find will have small volumes.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#3 - 2012-07-12 22:03:30 UTC
Well, I can think of three different ways to go about it.

First, I have a Wolf fit that does amazing in Sansha/Blood space. The way to use it would be to set up a jump clone down there which would let you effectively teleport (once every 24h) between that and your home base. This has the benefits of being something you're already trained for and getting you away from the PvP in your home region while you're exploring. The drawback is that you can only jumpclone from one place to another once per 24h, so you do have to think ahead for when you jump.
[Wolf, Exploring]
Centii C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Centii C-Type Thermic Plating
Damage Control II
Capacitor Power Relay II
Gyrostabilizer II

Codebreaker I
Experimental 1MN Afterburner I

Core Probe Launcher II, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, EMP S

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
Small Capacitor Control Circuit I


Second, you could crosstrain Gallente or Caldari frigate 5 to use their assault frigates. The reason I suggest this is that their tank types line up much better with Guristas damage than Minmatar ships do. Personally, I would recommend Gallente for the Ishkur. This fit can have over 100 DPS tank against the Guristas fairly easily and lets you conserve ammo by using drones to kill everything. With proper piloting, I would guess that it can run almost anything in Caldari highsec.
[Ishkur, Armor Guristas]
Coreli C-Type Small Armor Repairer
Centii C-Type Kinetic Plating
Capacitor Power Relay II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 1MN Afterburner I
Analyzer I
Codebreaker I

Salvager I
Core Probe Launcher I, Sisters Core Scanner Probe I
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S
150mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge S

Small Capacitor Control Circuit I
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin II x5

The third option would be to use a Minmatar AF in Caldari space. This is sub-optimal because Minmatar ships don't have resist bonuses against Guristas like Gal and Cal ships do. However, it would probably be workable if you avoided the sites that are too difficult. I would probably suggest a shield-tanked Jag fit if you're going to try it; I don't have a fit on-hand though.

Also, those DED resist and repper mods I listed are extremely cheap (1M or so for resists, ~10-15M for reppers), so they're well worth using for the extra tank.

Hopefully this is helpful to you.
bubble trout
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-12 22:59:35 UTC
I used that wolf fit and it is great. However I didn't see that it was a deadspace PLATE and and went with a meta4 energized membrane. No wonder I didn't have the cpu to have the codebreaker online.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#5 - 2012-07-13 00:56:48 UTC
bubble trout wrote:
I used that wolf fit and it is great. However I didn't see that it was a deadspace PLATE and and went with a meta4 energized membrane. No wonder I didn't have the cpu to have the codebreaker online.


The key difference is energized plating vs resist plating. The resist platings use no CPU, wheras the energized ones do. Energized ones give more resists, but a DED resist plating is absurdly cheap (500k-1M) and provides similar resists to a energized plating without the CPU cost. DED energized platings will provide even more resists, but they're more expensive too.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-07-13 01:16:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Used the Wolf fit but I put a Gav Upgrade II rig on it and used a T2 Rep to make up the cap difference. Also replaced the Dmg Control with an EANM. Want good cap skills for the Rig but it makes scanning a lot easier.

Also another point, carry a Salvager and Analyzer in the hold.

Quote:
Let the flames, trolling, hate, and such begin!

Yeah that is reserved for those who whine about the game, not play it. Lots of people find High Sec Exploration relaxing and fun. Ask for help in EVE and that is generally what you get.
Leena Trocal
Trocal Incorporated
#7 - 2012-07-13 05:50:06 UTC
Well I didn't get the wolf fit tonight, but I'll try it tomorrow. Thanks for the advice!
Leena Trocal
Trocal Incorporated
#8 - 2012-07-17 17:04:28 UTC
Tried the wolf fit and it's working great. I am loving not needing to stress when my ship hits armor. Only issue I have is with rogue drones in the area, but I can just not fight them. Thanks for the good fit.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-07-17 17:10:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Don't do high sec exploration. Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot. Also, train up basic market skills and buy/sell on the market.

-Liang

Ed: Also, :hi5: for not going the mission route. :)

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-07-17 19:04:02 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot.


Is this before or after the corp that own the wormhole comes over an pops all of you?
Leena Trocal
Trocal Incorporated
#11 - 2012-07-17 19:23:26 UTC
@Liang thanks for the props about not doing missions, but as for the worm hole or market routes, I'm not looking to make billions, just a few mil here and there to buy more frigs and dessies to explode.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#12 - 2012-07-17 19:29:44 UTC
Leena Trocal wrote:
@Liang thanks for the props about not doing missions, but as for the worm hole or market routes, I'm not looking to make billions, just a few mil here and there to buy more frigs and dessies to explode.


If you are just looking for quick, easy isk that requires very little effort to fund your pvp, then the thing you got props for not doing is probably going to be the best thing to do.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-07-17 20:00:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot.


Is this before or after the corp that own the wormhole comes over an pops all of you?


I've spent years in WH space and never died in PVE. You're doing it wrong.

-Liang

Ed: Protip, scan down their POS and park a covops at it. Pay attention to D-Scan and the sigs that are open. You will know if they're organizing to come kill you.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-17 20:05:40 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot.


Is this before or after the corp that own the wormhole comes over an pops all of you?


I've spent years in WH space and never died in PVE. You're doing it wrong.

-Liang

Ed: Protip, scan down their POS and park a covops at it. Pay attention to D-Scan and the sigs that are open. You will know if they're organizing to come kill you.


I wasn't referring to PvE risks. Obviously, if you're properly skilled and fitted, the big bad sleepers won't pop you.

As you suggested in your edit, the main concerns are other players.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-07-17 21:42:24 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot.


Is this before or after the corp that own the wormhole comes over an pops all of you?


I've spent years in WH space and never died in PVE. You're doing it wrong.

-Liang

Ed: Protip, scan down their POS and park a covops at it. Pay attention to D-Scan and the sigs that are open. You will know if they're organizing to come kill you.


I wasn't referring to PvE risks. Obviously, if you're properly skilled and fitted, the big bad sleepers won't pop you.

As you suggested in your edit, the main concerns are other players.


Ok, what I meant was a player has never snuck up on me and killed me while PVEing in WH space (or any other hostile space) despite years of doing it.

You.
Are.
Doing.
It.
Wrong.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-17 21:44:51 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Instead, visit a WH with some friends once a month and offer to salvage, probe, or scout for them for a cut of the loot.


Is this before or after the corp that own the wormhole comes over an pops all of you?


I've spent years in WH space and never died in PVE. You're doing it wrong.

-Liang

Ed: Protip, scan down their POS and park a covops at it. Pay attention to D-Scan and the sigs that are open. You will know if they're organizing to come kill you.


I wasn't referring to PvE risks. Obviously, if you're properly skilled and fitted, the big bad sleepers won't pop you.

As you suggested in your edit, the main concerns are other players.


Ok, what I meant was a player has never snuck up on me and killed me while PVEing in WH space (or any other hostile space) despite years of doing it.

You.
Are.
Doing.
It.
Wrong.

-Liang


Awesome for you. But, in case it's not clear, just because it hasn't happened to you, does not mean...

1. It can't happen to anyone.
2. People should not be aware and/or prepared for it.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-07-17 22:13:27 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:

Awesome for you. But, in case it's not clear, just because it hasn't happened to you, does not mean...

1. It can't happen to anyone.
2. People should not be aware and/or prepared for it.


It can happen to anyone, which is why you should prepare for it. That's why someone that's coming along on a C5 raid and volunteers to watch D-Scan, the enemy POS, and monitor WH sigs is so ******* valuable.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#18 - 2012-07-18 03:15:06 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:

Awesome for you. But, in case it's not clear, just because it hasn't happened to you, does not mean...

1. It can't happen to anyone.
2. People should not be aware and/or prepared for it.


It can happen to anyone, which is why you should prepare for it. That's why someone that's coming along on a C5 raid and volunteers to watch D-Scan, the enemy POS, and monitor WH sigs is so ******* valuable.

-Liang


I guess we agree then???
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#19 - 2012-07-18 15:56:55 UTC
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:

Awesome for you. But, in case it's not clear, just because it hasn't happened to you, does not mean...

1. It can't happen to anyone.
2. People should not be aware and/or prepared for it.


It can happen to anyone, which is why you should prepare for it. That's why someone that's coming along on a C5 raid and volunteers to watch D-Scan, the enemy POS, and monitor WH sigs is so ******* valuable.

-Liang


I guess we agree then???


Probably not, because you seem to live a life of fear while I live a life of basic preparation.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-07-18 17:15:48 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Traejun DiSanctis wrote:

Awesome for you. But, in case it's not clear, just because it hasn't happened to you, does not mean...

1. It can't happen to anyone.
2. People should not be aware and/or prepared for it.


It can happen to anyone, which is why you should prepare for it. That's why someone that's coming along on a C5 raid and volunteers to watch D-Scan, the enemy POS, and monitor WH sigs is so ******* valuable.

-Liang


I guess we agree then???


Probably not, because you seem to live a life of fear while I live a life of basic preparation.

-Liang


I am sensing you live a life of anger, while I live a life of...whatever the flock I want to do.

In an event, I stated that awareness of the risk was key... you (repeatedly) stated that "I am doing it wrong". That's all I go from this little exchange.
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