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Dueling Button - would you like to see one?

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Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#41 - 2012-07-17 18:11:41 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:


Edit: The reason dueling or arenas are disliked by many is the fear it will siphon players away from the forms of PvP combat currently in the game, like low sec roams or FW. Those traditional forms will then die from lack of participation.

Its not clear that will happen. It may siphon off some players, but it may introduce others to PvP, and make them want more.



Steal what people? The people who are already dueling? [looks out of the Dodi windows]. Yep still there. If they are in low or null sec what would be the point of going back to high to accomplish the exact same task that they were already performing. FW didn't exactly cause that big of a dent, nor did WH space, so why would the introduction of a already implemented function change anything?

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Cede Forster
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#42 - 2012-07-17 18:25:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Cede Forster
Counter proposal:

How about fist fights against enemy pilots after your ships explodes / you eject. Just add some big boxing gloves on the Capsule and make it a minigame (big red button, each time you press it you hit, first pilot with 100 hits wins).

If it goes well you could add trainable space animals that can fight against each other and possible Panda shaped spaceships.

on another thought:

you know what game needs a duel button? Hello Kitty Online.
Rudgier Thorrin
Noob Constructions LTD
#43 - 2012-07-17 18:44:00 UTC
Cede Forster wrote:
Counter proposal:

How about fist fights against enemy pilots after your ships explodes / you eject. Just add some big boxing gloves on the Capsule and make it a minigame (big red button, each time you press it you hit, first pilot with 100 hits wins).

If it goes well you could add trainable space animals that can fight against each other and possible Panda shaped spaceships.

on another thought:

you know what game needs a duel button? Hello Kitty Online.


I support this idea and would like to subscribe to your newsletter for future hilarity.

OP - if you want duels or fair fights join RvB, I hear they do this kind of thing a lot. A "Duel button" would simply be another way to grief newbies.

Also - this thread made me want a pony-shaped starship.

Implying I need a signature
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#44 - 2012-07-17 18:50:12 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
but only to the point of almost destruction. You can't pod your opponent. Before you can destroy their ship both parties weapons are made inoperable and a winner is declared.

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No, booming is required. So: go biomass. Evil

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Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#45 - 2012-07-17 18:51:25 UTC
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:


A "Duel button" would simply be another way to grief newbies.



Really...explain?
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#46 - 2012-07-17 18:52:06 UTC
EvE's duel button is the jet can.

Throw one out and then smash whoever takes the item inside. Screw not blowing them up, blowing **** up is one of the many points of EvE.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-07-17 18:56:44 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.


I would be ok with this button. Cool

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Wu Jiaqiu
#48 - 2012-07-17 18:59:04 UTC
Eve must have risk. If that player was garaunteed safety...say...a situation where a guy is pissed at someone else in a different corp in high sec and he wants to 'duel' his pimped Vargur and stop at structure, only he doesnt want to stop at structure.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-07-17 19:01:35 UTC
As an alternative. I think you should have to dial for CONCORD, not have them automatically show up and blast the aggressor. And to make it interesting, throw up a CAPTCHA to complete the call.

I realize that all the bots and afkers will rage ... well .. rage on.

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Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#50 - 2012-07-17 19:02:15 UTC
What I would like to see is something a little more in keeping with eve -- a memorandum of aggression. The idea is to use the contract system already in eve to allow players to define combat engagements i.e. number of combatants, ship types, involved systems, length of engagement, isk betting, etc. . . Basically the way i see it, any two players or groups of players who want to engage in mutual combat could enter into a contract which defines the scope of their engagement. Once the contract is executed, the parties that are apart of it at the time of signing receive aggro to each other according to the terms of the contract. Of course this will all happen in the eve world so outside interference should always be a possibility.

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Kyle Ward
Doomheim
#51 - 2012-07-17 19:04:39 UTC
Its a good idea. With CrimeWatch coming can-duels will probably be going to way of the dinosaur which would be pretty lame. Can-duels were some of my best (and worst, BECAUSE OF FALCON) fights I've ever had. Not to even mention tournaments, which are just the best.

It doesn't need to be anything fancy, just Right-Click>Request Duel/Hit Accept/10 Second Count-Down/Pew-Pew

It shouldn't be any more than a request mutual aggression button though, since as much as I hate neutral RR, thats kinda what makes EVE EVE.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#52 - 2012-07-17 19:28:27 UTC
Gaia Ma'chello wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0...

Yes they did. But there will be no "stopping before ship destruction and winner declared". It will be just like now when two players drop cans and steal. Ships will explode.

What is not known is the actual game mechanic, or if it will allow 3 way matches, or fleet matches.

Edit: The reason dueling or arenas are disliked by many is the fear it will siphon players away from the forms of PvP combat currently in the game, like low sec roams or FW. Those traditional forms will then die from lack of participation.

Its not clear that will happen. It may siphon off some players, but it may introduce others to PvP, and make them want more.


well thats the thing though right? its taking something that players are having to work around to do... (like poses back on 05) and making them a feature in game...

thats all they are doing is taking the can flip mechanic and making it a formal feature in eve... oh with purdy stats and stuffz

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Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#53 - 2012-07-17 20:26:23 UTC
If they do implement a "challenge to duel" right click option, I assume neutral RR will get a "suspect" flag. So having a few escort ships around monitoring the duel will tend to limit such activity.
Jayrendo Karr
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-07-17 20:29:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Jayrendo Karr
It would be interesting but other players would still have the ability to interfere, and loser must either run or have ship destroyed. Reeally it would mean that someone doesn't want concord intervention when engaged with a certain player. It would be a way to get rid of the stupid cans for dueling.
None ofthe Above
#55 - 2012-07-17 20:33:50 UTC  |  Edited by: None ofthe Above
DuKackBoon wrote:
No. It already exists. It's called "Jettison".


I think OP has a point.

In addition, the proposed changes in Crimewatch will break Jettison as a dueling mechanism. If the changes go out as currently discussed, the "thief" will have the "suspect" flag and therefore open season for everyone for a short period (similar to the aggression countdown). This will kill jet-can dueling in high sec.

So no; that will no longer do the job.

Also anyone repping anyone who is in a war or has the "suspect" flag is also suspect, taking care of that.

I think there is value in setting up 1v1 dueling. Maybe on right click, propose duel? With an except dialog? Mini wardecs (repping someone in a duel setting suspect flag for the repper, open question how fleets and boosters would work).

CCP devs have mentioned the dueling as a possibility before, most recently Greyscale during ATX commentary. I think it does a fine job of replacing the loss of jetcan dueling.

I am not sure about arenas (as a possible addition, they certainly shouldn't be the default case) and against instances (although one might think combat simulators would be possible with this technology), but the OP preserves something that is already part of EVE but is in danger of being lost.

Supported +1

EDIT: Re-reading OP I see that there is some provisions for a possible, enforced non-lethal duel? Bleh. That part not supported.

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Ginger Barbarella
#56 - 2012-07-17 20:35:46 UTC
Quote:
Just an ideal


A horrible "ideal". You want duels? Check out Aion... Played that game last year for one week free, felt glad to uninstall it.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#57 - 2012-07-17 20:37:15 UTC
Ginger Barbarella wrote:
Quote:
Just an ideal


A horrible "ideal". You want duels? Check out Aion... Played that game last year for one week free, felt glad to uninstall it.


Oh man, Aion.

I knew the devs for that game were mentally deficient the moment I noticed they had snareless melee classes, multi-escape ranged classes, and attacks rooting you in place.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#58 - 2012-07-17 20:38:19 UTC
Memories of Star Wars Galaxies arise...

*shudders*

yk
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#59 - 2012-07-17 20:39:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Shameless Avenger
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Emperor Salazar wrote:
Drop a can.


Really....really...Shocked


at Jita, Rens or Dodixie undock. We are not kidding, do it do it do it.

Don't forget to label it 1vs1.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Forum Foreplay
#60 - 2012-07-17 21:20:45 UTC
No, terrible idea, then the next thing is people would want 1v1 balanced and that would basically trash the concept of ships for roles in fleets.

1v1 would ruin EvE, if people want that kind of PvP they should be playing a FPS.


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