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Dueling Button - would you like to see one?

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#21 - 2012-07-17 17:20:57 UTC
No,

because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."

No No No No!
Quaaid
Phoenix Foundry
#22 - 2012-07-17 17:21:32 UTC
I think it's rather ironic that CCP would put so much effort into balancing fight scenarios for the controversial and crowd pleasing Alliance Tournaments, yet not develop/pass any of that functionality down to the common capsuleer.

That is my closing argument for developing Dueling / Small Fleet / Controlled PvP scenarios for the masses: Alliance Tournament gets to do it.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#23 - 2012-07-17 17:23:36 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
No,

because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."

No No No No!


You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.
Alara IonStorm
#24 - 2012-07-17 17:24:24 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
This idea is about as out of place in EVE as a "summon magical love ponies" button.

Celestia could kick tests ass any day of the week and twice on Sundays.
Jeanova
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-07-17 17:26:28 UTC
No.

First, we don't need WoWish childness in grim reality of EvE, second - its doesn't make any sense from logical (roleplay) point.
Micheal Dietrich
Kings Gambit Black
#26 - 2012-07-17 17:27:23 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
No,

because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."

No No No No!


You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.



You'd think they would have done this ages ago to deal with nuetral RR's and wardecs......


This whole thread is bad. You want a canless duel, go to nullsec.

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Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#27 - 2012-07-17 17:29:11 UTC
I vote for biomass.

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Karak Terrel
Foundation for CODE and THE NEW ORDER
#28 - 2012-07-17 17:29:35 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
No,

because then it is formal and i can already hear the noobs 2 months later crying for instanced fights because the other guy last night had a friend with a logi "...and that is clearly an exploit to a system that was invented for 1v1 PvP..."

No No No No!


You know, it wouldn't be hard to code the inability to rep someone in a duel. Just make it so that isn't possible - you know.


See, my 2 months where actually 2minutes. To scam someone during a 1v1 is essential. I would not play this game if i didn't had the possibility to do such things or that such things happen to me.
stoicfaux
#29 - 2012-07-17 17:32:15 UTC
+1, but no private instance. Having the computers shut off the weapons before exploding would be spiffy.

It would open the sandbox up to entrepreneurs (i.e. players) holding tournaments and whatnot instead of relying on CCP to provide such content.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Thomas Kreshant
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-07-17 17:35:19 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:
Why fix what isn't broke. The can's have worked just as well as your little button for the past decade without the worry of seeing 20 pop ups from the spazmatic wonder over yonder.


The can trick won't work when they introduce the new crime watch changes, if you loot someones can aka commit any type of crime you go flashy to every single person in eve.

The duel button would be to allow those people doing competitions like the Eve Radio types to hold their frig/dessie fights without getting blapped by 30 people nearby I guess.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#31 - 2012-07-17 17:36:53 UTC
Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0...

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#32 - 2012-07-17 17:37:45 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:
+1, but no private instance. Having the computers shut off the weapons before exploding would be spiffy.

It would open the sandbox up to entrepreneurs (i.e. players) holding tournaments and whatnot instead of relying on CCP to provide such content.


Players already hold tournaments.

Seriously people, leave highsec and you'll start understanding just how limiting all the silly rules in there are.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#33 - 2012-07-17 17:38:33 UTC
well i wouldnt mind the idea tbh. Im quite sure Concord would be able to both protect and host a pvp league or something like that Twisted

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silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#34 - 2012-07-17 17:43:02 UTC
Quote:
Dueling Button - would you like to see one?


No.

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Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-07-17 17:43:10 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Elvis Fett wrote:
Your idea is not going to be received well. It has been suggested before and shot down before. Arena combat has little place in EVE is the general consensus.




Why is dueling so bad?


It isn't. I don't understand the view that it's somehow out of place. It sounds like a great sub-game to me and a lot of people who don't engage in PvP would do so with something like this implemented. This would be an added feature, not a feature somehow replacing traditional scam or gank PvP.
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#36 - 2012-07-17 17:45:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Gaia Ma'chello
MeBiatch wrote:
Ccp already confirmed a few months ago they are working on it as part of crimewatch 2.0...

Yes they did. But there will be no "stopping before ship destruction and winner declared". It will be just like now when two players drop cans and steal. Ships will explode.

What is not known is the actual game mechanic, or if it will allow 3 way matches, or fleet matches.

Edit: The reason dueling or arenas are disliked by many is the fear it will siphon players away from the forms of PvP combat currently in the game, like low sec roams or FW. Those traditional forms will then die from lack of participation.

Its not clear that will happen. It may siphon off some players, but it may introduce others to PvP, and make them want more.
Kuehnelt
Devoid Privateering
#37 - 2012-07-17 17:52:17 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
So would anyone be open to the ideal of a "Dueling Button" ? All it would do is flag each participant is an temporary enemy and allow for the players to shoot it out - but only to the point of almost destruction. You can't pod your opponent. Before you can destroy their ship both parties weapons are made inoperable and a winner is declared.

Is this a bad idea


It is a bad idea.

First, why 'almost destruction'? I'd like duels to destruction. Why "can't pod"? I'd like duels in which the defeated are podded out of the arena. Why should a winner be 'declared'? Maybe the victor used an illegal tactic? Maybe the loser was disconnected? I'd like to have a human judge, with all of the "that guy obviously won and the judges are ******* lying" potential drama. Speaking of which, I'd like no-ECM duels. Also, 3v3 duels in which T2 and deadspace mods are prohibited. But you have to fit a point, of course - actually, some duels, if you warp away you're declared the victor. Others, if you warp out you're destroyed. Also, 3v3v3v3v3 arena battles in which the last party standing gets all the loot and wrecks. I'd like logi. I'd like it if a recon could decloak in the middle of the arena and light a cyno, with the game called on account of everyone died. Not every time, though. Maybe a 5% chance of the arena not being cyno jammed?

OK, CCP, implement all of that. Make it the key feature of the next expansion, give it its own unique rules and game mechanics that have almost nothing to do with the rest of EVE. And if the release could have a giant exploit in the form of an ill-considered "award insurance well above platinum to those who lose ships" 'carebear' mode, that would be cool, too. This is a sandbox, after all.
THE L0CK
Denying You Access
#38 - 2012-07-17 17:56:10 UTC
Thomas Kreshant wrote:
THE L0CK wrote:
Why fix what isn't broke. The can's have worked just as well as your little button for the past decade without the worry of seeing 20 pop ups from the spazmatic wonder over yonder.


The can trick won't work when they introduce the new crime watch changes, if you loot someones can aka commit any type of crime you go flashy to every single person in eve.

The duel button would be to allow those people doing competitions like the Eve Radio types to hold their frig/dessie fights without getting blapped by 30 people nearby I guess.




You know........ the universe is a very big place. Lots of places where such events can take place.

This would be a huge boon for gankers, just sit outside of 4-4 and spam and wait for misclicks. No more worries about sec hits or lost ships.

Do you smell what the Lock's cooking?
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#39 - 2012-07-17 17:59:54 UTC
THE L0CK wrote:


This would be a huge boon for gankers, just sit outside of 4-4 and spam and wait for misclicks. No more worries about sec hits or lost ships.


My guess is there will be an auto-reject that will be set to active by default.
DuKackBoon
Soban Heavy Industries
#40 - 2012-07-17 18:00:26 UTC
No. It already exists. It's called "Jettison".