EVE General Discussion

He apparently made it 20j in his Hulk twice, surviving both times.

Aren't NRDS alliances precious.

There are even GSF corps who don't require an SA account.

That's the can do spirit that makes EVE Great! Because jumping into t1 combat ships and pressing f1-f8 will be to hard, better to just stay on the forums and hope CCP changes the game :)



I understand all that, but I simply believe that if High Sec people (who love to tell us how the MAJORITY lives in High sec) should put up or shut up. Not one High Sec Anti-Goon Alliance has been born to combat the evil that is mittens (I feel like crossing my self just mentioning his name, must bathe in holy water to the the mitt stink off), but LEGIONS of high sec people have come to the forums demanding major changes to the way things work.

The OP is like this, rather than make 5 friends to bust a gate camp, he comes her and suggest major and sweeping changes to every gate camp. I just think that's dumb, lame and weak personally.

That's funny. So why don't all the "skilled - team work players" go around clearing gate camps? It's virtually unlimited PvP. Oh yeah... thought so ... you'd rather sit there and pop noobs that just started the game.

I'm relatively new to EVE (signed up in April) and am thriving in a null-sec alliance.

That being said, damage dampening etc., wouldn't that just shift the gate camp to the outbound gates in the transition system?

The "solution" is to jump in feet 1st and learn what to do quickly. The kinds of people who are discouraged by EVE's (easy as hell to defeat) barriers don't belong "out there" anyways. There is NOTHING to be done about it that doesn't change the nature of the game.

I keep hearing about this stagnant player pool, I'd love to see some evidence of it., EVE's tradition of slow gradual growth and maintaining the spirit of the game are IMO working fine.



"Arena" ideas have come and gone, and they never make sense. If you make a "pvp on demand without consequences" area in high sec, what pvp centered player in their right mind would ever leave high sec? Hell, i wouldn't, SOV is a pain in the butt.

Actually alot of us oldies do want change, but not teh sort of hello kitty chages that makes Eve a safe place. Join a corp, roam in gangs, fight the camps. Lowsec is supposed to be dangerous, dont dumb it down, play smarter.

They have already given us a great tool to evade gatecamps, Its called V283 and leads from highsec to nulsec if youre not picky of where you end up. We also have the R051 variant which leads to lowsec. Wormholes are great way to try things out. Access recuirements are three weeks max with training scanning skills.

Hi, im a terrible highsec carebear, and this is my story ...

First of all , im mostly doing pve to plex my 2 accounts, and yes im aware theres better ways to get ISK in this game , but not many are reliable enough for me.

When i started playing around 3 - 4 years ago , 5 year old mission runners in my NPC corp were all treating lowsec and nullsec just like you do OP , "dont go there, first jump in and you will get instapopped by gate camps" , and since i was naive noob i believed em cause they had much more experience with this game (or so i thought). Still my curiosity got the better of me and i started plotting jumps through lowsec to cut on traveling times and to my suprise majority of systems were completly empty, with maybe 1 or 2 people docked up someplace.

As i learned more about game mechanics i became aware of whole another world out there, where using your brain actually matters, and melting NPCs in missions just wouldnt cut it for me anymore. I started exploring , and scored my first 500m shield drop from a escalation of one of small gurista highsec plexes, end of escalation was in lowsec naturally. Flying in my crappy cormorant with barebone sp i managed to go in, evade 2 gatecamps, and return to highsec with 500m in my cargo. You wanna know the funny part? I felt more unsafe when i jumped back to highsec, cause of sheer amount of random people there, and cormorant with pith a type booster in cargo is a tasty snack for any aspiring suicide ganker on gates.

After that i started messing around lowsec more and more, learning as i went. Losing ships was actually fastest way to learn do-s and do not-s ... not that i lost that many tho, one lolfit drake to obvious gate camp which i jumped in foolishly, even with my scout ahead of me, cause i wasnt aware of all the nuances (hello 5 gankpests sitting in safe offgrid on gate) and maybe a HAC or two. Each time i learned more, learned to make proper bookmarks and really started to feel comfortable making my way around. Sure there will be times when you get probed out by capable pirates (o/ Flashy Red guys, if you are still around), but keeping an eye on dscan should make you near invincible ... Point of all this is, if you lose a ship in lowsec, its your fault, either to lack of knowledge or lack of preparation (or usually both).

Nullsec is slightly different story, bubbles can be intimidating for people not used to them (like me) , but still theres ways around them. I cant really comment much on null space, cause my time there was usually spent doing escalations from lowsec plexes and this was mostly in north areas that are generally ripe with carebears (at least that was my impression).

In the end it all comes down to how commited you are to exploring/living in hostile space, you cant learn it any other way than actually going out there and biting the bullet.

@ Chazz:
You are completely right with the point (as I understood it) that the real problem isn't gate camps but highsec CEOs that tell the newbies to avoid lowsec at all cost.
I just remembered when I was only several days old and had no clue about even the most basic game mechanics, I got caught in my first gatecamp. Since I did not know how to tell my navigation computer to use a different route I figured that I somehow had to find a way to burst past the bad guys...I was too stupid to use an afterburner, but finally my double-plated merlin (!) made it through the gate and I was proud like a god.
Our CEO told me afterwards that I was beeing a noob for even entering lowsec in the first place and everyone was to stay in highsec.
I complied, throwing my eve-experience back for almost two years.