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Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#21 - 2012-07-17 08:11:01 UTC
If you approach EvE with a Time vs Revenue vs Risk attitude, then wormholes are the biggest waste of time thyat Eve has to offer.
Continualy scanning, running to change ships, bookmarking and logistics, make wormholes a living nightmare.
If I had to work that hard at work I would be asking for a pay rise.
Wormholes are something you love or hate but if you are drawn to them because some people convince you that there is great wealth to be had then forget them.
"I made 100 mills in 15 minutes"
if you dont count the endless hours of scanning and waiting for a good spawn.
Gamblers will tell you how much they won on a race, but seldom tell you how much they have lost prior to their half decent win.
Altrue
Exploration Frontier inc
Tactical-Retreat
#22 - 2012-07-17 08:21:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Altrue
Corina Jarr wrote:
If you spam dscan, you are doing it wrong.


2 methods.

1) alt at WH, you can see at a glance if anyone enters.

2) dscan every 5 or so seconds, and be aligned to begin with. That way even if you miss them, they will not be able to scram you (unless they have insta lock bomber, in which case you kill them) as you can warp off immediately.


First doesn't work. (K162)

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Wormholes offers what the rest of the game can't : Possibility to be cloaky, new strategies, mass limitations for fair fights, and more important, because of all the mechanisms : A possibility for a corp to taste null sec life without the alliance thing.

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Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#23 - 2012-07-17 08:24:51 UTC
Waiting for a good spawn? You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

I'm a rather lazy d-scanner, I probably don't scan more than twice a minute or so. Still I was sucessfully jumped in w-space only twice in over two years. (And in one of those cases I saw it coming but miscalculated how fast the enemy I saw enter would find and reach my Noctis and how awfully long that Noctis needs to get into warp. If I hadn't felt so sure I could've easily avoided that loss.)

The trick is to scout the system properly, watch or close all the wormholes, then keep a probe out and scan for new signatures every couple of minutes. Dscanning is hardly needed then.

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Cpt Roghie
Chemical Invasion Co.
#24 - 2012-07-17 08:28:07 UTC
tunlocked wrote:
Mainly because my left mouse button wears out because of all the dscaning.

My thought is that people that live in WH are all douchebags and they all love to both give and receive surprise *********...on that im a cap pilot...corp ceo has indicated that corp is moving into w-space....is it me or is it my corp is trying to tell me something....



Sounds like someone misses home?

This could be fun.
Alice Saki
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#25 - 2012-07-17 08:29:17 UTC
Wait so WH are hard cause you have to hit D-Scan? Are you telling me you don't use d-Scan in Low/Null. Must be a Carebear.

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#26 - 2012-07-17 09:07:03 UTC
Dardoign wrote:
If you approach EvE with a Time vs Revenue vs Risk attitude, then wormholes are the biggest waste of time thyat Eve has to offer.
Continualy scanning, running to change ships, bookmarking and logistics, make wormholes a living nightmare.
If I had to work that hard at work I would be asking for a pay rise.
Wormholes are something you love or hate but if you are drawn to them because some people convince you that there is great wealth to be had then forget them.
"I made 100 mills in 15 minutes"
if you dont count the endless hours of scanning and waiting for a good spawn.
Gamblers will tell you how much they won on a race, but seldom tell you how much they have lost prior to their half decent win.


Just because you're bad at wormholes doesn't mean the rest of us are. Sorry.
Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#27 - 2012-07-17 09:14:45 UTC
Write a macro for that d-scan Lol
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#28 - 2012-07-17 09:18:57 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dardoign wrote:
If you approach EvE with a Time vs Revenue vs Risk attitude, then wormholes are the biggest waste of time thyat Eve has to offer.
Continualy scanning, running to change ships, bookmarking and logistics, make wormholes a living nightmare.
If I had to work that hard at work I would be asking for a pay rise.
Wormholes are something you love or hate but if you are drawn to them because some people convince you that there is great wealth to be had then forget them.
"I made 100 mills in 15 minutes"
if you dont count the endless hours of scanning and waiting for a good spawn.
Gamblers will tell you how much they won on a race, but seldom tell you how much they have lost prior to their half decent win.


Just because you're bad at wormholes doesn't mean the rest of us are. Sorry.


Hahahhah, I love it.
I was in a class 3 for months.
Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan.
Just about sums it up.
But then if you are in a corp, and while your sorry ass is still in bed, your corpies do the graft. bookmarking you all the results so that you can do the rooms over your cornflakes, you are bound to have some rose tinted idea of what wormholes are about.
I may have got you wrong insofar as I presume you have lived in a wormhole as opposed to jumping in and jumping out.
Either way I stand by my premise, that wormholeing as a time vs rewards, compared to running level 4's, or mining is the least rewarding.
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-07-17 09:19:55 UTC
WH hates you - equilibrium.
AdZc
Legio Prima Victrix
#30 - 2012-07-17 10:15:41 UTC
Obvious troll is obvious.......
David Estarra
Starside Lost
#31 - 2012-07-17 10:31:28 UTC
There's nothing quite like probing around in random holes to pass the time of day! P

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TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#32 - 2012-07-17 10:32:54 UTC
Dardoign wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dardoign wrote:
If you approach EvE with a Time vs Revenue vs Risk attitude, then wormholes are the biggest waste of time thyat Eve has to offer.
Continualy scanning, running to change ships, bookmarking and logistics, make wormholes a living nightmare.
If I had to work that hard at work I would be asking for a pay rise.
Wormholes are something you love or hate but if you are drawn to them because some people convince you that there is great wealth to be had then forget them.
"I made 100 mills in 15 minutes"
if you dont count the endless hours of scanning and waiting for a good spawn.
Gamblers will tell you how much they won on a race, but seldom tell you how much they have lost prior to their half decent win.


Just because you're bad at wormholes doesn't mean the rest of us are. Sorry.


Hahahhah, I love it.
I was in a class 3 for months.
Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan Scan scan scan.
Just about sums it up.
But then if you are in a corp, and while your sorry ass is still in bed, your corpies do the graft. bookmarking you all the results so that you can do the rooms over your cornflakes, you are bound to have some rose tinted idea of what wormholes are about.
I may have got you wrong insofar as I presume you have lived in a wormhole as opposed to jumping in and jumping out.
Either way I stand by my premise, that wormholeing as a time vs rewards, compared to running level 4's, or mining is the least rewarding.


What the hell were you doing for three months if at the end of it you were still having trouble with the scanning? It takes like 20 minutes tops to scan out every single site. It's not difficult to do. It's also not hard or time consuming to hit d-scan while you're doing a site, or to leave a probe or two out and just hit the scan button to see if new sigs (k162s) appear.

Your premise that wormholes are less rewarding than level 4s is utterly ridiculous, and is not valid.

I also notice that your entire argument against wormholes being 'worth it' is based solely on isk per hour... carebear much?

The primary 'worth' in wormholes for the majority of us who live in them is the pvp opportunities, and the mechanics involved in wormhole PVP. But we also make far more isk than you, because we're not bad at EVE.
Mr Bigwinky
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2012-07-17 11:35:42 UTC
What kind of pimp are you if you're only pimpin' the wormho.
Shake it up, get off your ugly-ass and try and kill someone.

Its not always buttsechs, sometimes there's some baitin' in there.
Sometimes it's proper gangbang, and everyone is invited.
Welcome to EVE online, here's your rubix cube, go F*** yourself ♥
tgl3
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2012-07-17 11:38:23 UTC  |  Edited by: tgl3
I don't even make ISK in wormholes and I still find them fun. I'm not even sure what that means.
EDIT: But people seem to enjoy wormholes for the different PvP opportunities with the ability to also make bank on the side. The extra risk/effort is still worth it.
Obax Bannon
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#35 - 2012-07-17 12:09:10 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If you spam dscan, you are doing it wrong.


2 methods.

1) alt at WH, you can see at a glance if anyone enters.

2) dscan every 5 or so seconds, and be aligned to begin with. That way even if you miss them, they will not be able to scram you (unless they have insta lock bomber, in which case you kill them) as you can warp off immediately.


Plonking at alt in a cloaky next to your static is great for knowing if you get any wormhole activation.
Also best to have at least one probe out hitting that occasionally in case a new hole pops open in your system while you sit there thinking you only have the one Smile
Meytal
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-07-17 12:38:37 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If you spam dscan, you are doing it wrong.


2 methods.

1) alt at WH, you can see at a glance if anyone enters.

2) dscan every 5 or so seconds, and be aligned to begin with. That way even if you miss them, they will not be able to scram you (unless they have insta lock bomber, in which case you kill them) as you can warp off immediately.


When I open a K162 into your system, find where you are, and then bump you while I let my cloak timer count down, and keep bumping you in case you are stabbed, that method doesn't quite work so well. For you, at least. I'm happy with your methods :)


Terrorfrodo wrote:
The trick is to scout the system properly, watch or close all the wormholes, then keep a probe out and scan for new signatures every couple of minutes. Dscanning is hardly needed then.

I like this one too. When I decide to sign off in a random hole in an off-dscan safe and log in a little later, or perhaps safe up and afk for a meal, and come check the anomalies or signatures that I've already bookmarked, I will find you and I will pop you no matter how well you know the system. By the time you see the hole activations, I'm already tackling you for my friends. I got my first w-space kill this way, and it continues to be a winner.

Really, w-space is fun for both the hunter and the hunted. It's "hard" because you don't have the free Intel channel (Local) so you never know just how many "afk" cloakies are watching you, salivating over the thought of violating your frozen corpse they are about to scoop. It's also "hard" because you can't just hotdrop 100 or so buddies on someone; you actually have to prepare and set up a proper ambush. Nothing is handed to you -- if you want it, YOU have to make it happen. There are other regions of space available to you if you can't handle w-space.

If you are hunting, dscan is an invaluable tool, but it's not the only one you use.
If you are doing something that makes you vulnerable, dscan is an invaluable tool, but by itself it won't save you.

Using the proper tools increases your chances of success at whatever you're doing. Assuming you don't need a particular tool decreases those chances.
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