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Xinivrae
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-07-17 08:30:52 UTC
The correct thing to do would be to petition it. I can't think of any reason you'd make a thread about it, especially with a title like this one unless you wanted to purposefully create a torrent of e-drama.
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#22 - 2012-07-17 08:37:23 UTC
Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
In before the lock for discussing religion.

This is not a topic discussing religion, merits or demerits thereof.
The toipic is about overt advertising.
If religion is out of bounds in the forum, then surely and moreso, it is out of bounds within the game.
I was more offended by the fact that players would be allowed to bring into EvE their outside hangup, than the actual message itself.
How many of you are sick and tired of the forced advertising that you have to suffer before you can watch a youtube vid?
We pay for eve, and if containers are allowed to be used for non Eve related advertising then where will it end?
Bunolagus
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2012-07-17 08:37:26 UTC
What is Eve coming to? The next thing you know there will be some kind of religious extremism worked into the backstory. What is next slavery and emancipation?
Herr Hammer Draken
#24 - 2012-07-17 08:38:19 UTC
But CCP made the Amarr religious zealots. So where else do you role play religious zealots other than Amarr space?
This is EVE and it is the nature of the Amarr. I would suggest to the op fly in galentee space then where they have orgies daily with their drugs!

Herr Hammer Draken "The Amarr Prophet"
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#25 - 2012-07-17 08:40:42 UTC
Dardoign wrote:
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I was more offended by ...
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Unofficial Rule #1 about these forums. Once you show tears on a thread, trolls will come to harvest them and the purpose of the thread will go to hell.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#26 - 2012-07-17 08:42:06 UTC
Xinivrae wrote:
The correct thing to do would be to petition it. I can't think of any reason you'd make a thread about it, especially with a title like this one unless you wanted to purposefully create a torrent of e-drama.

The threat of a petition was a last resort. I filed petitions before and in reality the petition function is only there to keep someone in a job who would otherwise be on the dole. Rather like the compulsory Australian superannuation scheme.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#27 - 2012-07-17 08:43:38 UTC
In B4 - I didn't like Amarr space anyways.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Terrorfrodo
Interbus Universal
#28 - 2012-07-17 08:43:39 UTC
Actually it's clever targeted advertising. Only weak-minded, incapable players misconfigure their overview in such a way that they see containers when they are not salvaging wrecks. So only those will see the religious advertising and they are probably the people most susceptible to it. One has to acknowledge, those rabble-rousers know their business Shocked

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Pipa Porto
#29 - 2012-07-17 08:45:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
You could put up Pro-Atheism cans, Pro-Christianity cans, Pro-Muslim cans, or Pro-Jewish cans (though, they're not exactly known for their evangelical streak). I think the solicitation prohibition is mostly about offline commerce, but who knows.


Freedom of Speech is hard. It requires you to listen to someone standing behind a pulpit and shouting things ideas that you hate more than anything else in the world and admit that he has every right to say that. Worse, believing in free speech requires you to support his right to say that which offends you.

When someone is standing behind that pulpit, the natural reaction is to try to get him to stop talking, but that's not what free speech is about. The appropriate response is to put up your own pulpit. Put up your own pulpit and shout your views twice as loud, and convince the gathering throng that you're right. Or, ignore it, of course.


Now, CCP has decided that they don't want the discussion to go negative on certain topics, and since EVE is their baby and they haven't codified free speech anywhere, it's their right to do that. But, they haven't banned positive discussions. Feel free to be evangelical for any religion you choose, or no religion at all. You know what an attack looks like, you know what hate speech looks like. It's an ugly world, and we've all seen it. Avoid attacks and hate speech and you should be fine.


Free Speech is my Religion.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#30 - 2012-07-17 08:48:48 UTC
Colonel Xaven wrote:
Those bible guys clearly haven't seen the EvE intro where evolution clearly is the reason for the existence of all 4 races in EvE Big smile


Most christians believe in evolution.

Is the OP sure that these "adverts" aren't referring to the in-game Amarr religion?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Cebraio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-07-17 08:50:12 UTC
Terrorfrodo wrote:
Fiona Tsero wrote:
People who ask for tolerance seem to forget that it works both ways.

Why do you think an atheist has to be tolerant? I'm an atheist and I would ban and persecute all religions and try to eradicate this stupidity once and for all if I was a dictator with the power to do so :)

A preference for reason has little to do with tolerance for unreason and insane beliefs.

Heh, I keep saying that when I'm ask by people who can take the truth. If I was King Of The World, I would just ban all personality cult together (maybe not about my personality, since I'm King). No Jesus, no Mohammed etc. I would probably allow religious gatherings for people who need it for their souls, but no advertisements, no personality cult and no proselytizing!
Corvus Borealis
AUS-BadBadNotGood
#32 - 2012-07-17 08:55:16 UTC
Give man a beer, and he will prove evolution as truth.
Dardoign
Mine n Mellow
#33 - 2012-07-17 08:56:52 UTC
Corvus Borealis wrote:
Give man a beer, and he will prove evolution as truth.


Give a man 10 beers and he wil prove reverse evolution as a fact.
Thorn Galen
Bene Gesserit ChapterHouse
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#34 - 2012-07-17 09:13:27 UTC
Lies!! All religious heresey and lies!!

In this game, there is only one God, one true Deity !!

In this game, it is universally acreddited as fact that the one true God is ISK !

ALL HAIL ISK !!

COO - Bene Gesserit Chapterhouse  CEO - Sanctuary Pact Alliance
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#35 - 2012-07-17 09:25:15 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Kehro Urgus wrote:
Can you provide empirical evidence that proves Jesus Christ is not the son of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?


...and this is where the trolls got successful.

- Keeping real life stuff out of game, OK. Religion, politics, etc... it messes up the "immersion".

- Actual discussion of such religions/politics/etc --> Shady

- Being flat out anti-religion, prohibited by the EULA:

"You may not organize nor be a member of any corporation or group within EVE Online that is based on or advocates any anti-ethnic, anti-gay, anti-religious, racist, sexist or other hate-mongering philosophies"

If you want the cans away for messing up immersion with RL stuff... OK. If you want the cans gone because they advertize xyz religion... I'm out.



Are you denying the fact that pastafarianism is an actual religion? The Austrian traffic authorities would like a word.
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#36 - 2012-07-17 09:39:39 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:

Are you denying the fact that pastafarianism is an actual religion? The Austrian traffic authorities would like a word.


Duno... I'm a Haruhiist and my god is prettier than yours.

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2012-07-17 09:42:13 UTC
Shameless Avenger wrote:
Aruken Marr wrote:

Are you denying the fact that pastafarianism is an actual religion? The Austrian traffic authorities would like a word.


Duno... I'm a Haruhiist and my god is prettier than yours.


I can't argue with that.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#38 - 2012-07-17 09:45:39 UTC
I'm a humanist, and my god is all of you.

As for the cans advertising Xianity? Perish the thought that there should be discord in our game universe. I'm sure Empress Sarum the pureflesh will have some unkind words for those people preaching false religions within her domain.

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ChromeStriker
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2012-07-17 09:47:03 UTC
Our Chribba, who art in the belt.
Hallowed be thy Veldnaught.
Thy ore be mined.
Hidden belts we find.
In 0.0 as it is in Empire.
Give us this day our daily Veldspar.
And forgive us our ore theft,
As we forgive those who thieve against us.
And lead us not into gate camps,
But deliver us from pirates.
For thine is the ore,
and the ice, and the moons,
fore ever and ever.

Miner's Psalm

Yea though I Mine through the valley of Veldspar,
I will fear no Ganking:
for Chribba art with me;
His roids and Veldnought comfort me.

Miner's War Cry

Veld for the Veld God!

No Worries
Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#40 - 2012-07-17 09:48:07 UTC
"And CCP said, “Let the rats spawn and drop loot according to their kinds: salvage, meta 4, each according to its kind.” And it was so. CCP made the factions rats according to their kinds, and all the rats that move along the space giving dmg type according to their kinds. And CCP saw that it was good."

"This is the Ninja. He will scan you down; he will salvage your wrecks and there shall be no aggro"