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plz remove Tengu from this game.
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Voith
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-07-15 14:28:19 UTC
RavenPaine wrote:
Voith wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.


Your previous post had asked for ships for: Quote "Solo, small gang, and fleet combat"
Wolf fits that description easily.

If you wanted "Major alliance fleet doctrine" you should have been specific. Then I would have removed some ships but added a couple others.
"Major alliance fleet doctrine" is such a small part of the game... Not sure it is even relevent to this thread.
I'm not sure what your point even was.
But it helps prove my point, that the Tengu is not OP. Surely it is not OMFG NERF THE HEAVY MISSILE CRUISER HULL.

You're Dumb
Post with your main or gtfo

Sorry, I thought you were smart enough to realize that I wasn't talking about ~special-snowflake~ fits.

My mistake.
Dunan Sanis
Perkone
Caldari State
#62 - 2012-07-15 14:42:26 UTC
Voith wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.


Sure because a Tengu doctrine was a really really good idea for SoCO. They sure showed us the Tengu were much more superior by beating our Drakes. /s
Ginger Barbarella
#63 - 2012-07-15 16:54:39 UTC
I want to win the California lottery, so I need to fly Tengu??

Oh, wait...

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Tarak Addaney
Doomheim
#64 - 2012-07-16 02:42:12 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Ayeshah Volfield wrote:
Popularity should never be a factor when it comes to balance.


Popularity is a sign that something is imbalanced.

If people chose Spacesubmarine A over Spacesubmarine B, then there is an obvious issue here.


So we buff space sub B and then more people fly sub B and then you get the same complaint..
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#65 - 2012-07-16 02:50:55 UTC
CCP please remove this thread's OP from this game.

Regards,

--The EVE Community

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2012-07-16 02:54:49 UTC
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#67 - 2012-07-16 06:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: RavenPaine
I caught this Wolf pilot in action.
Major Alliance Fleet Engagement.
Yesterday
It just seemed important at the time
and funny Big smile

http://i.imgur.com/ik6rg.jpg
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#68 - 2012-07-16 06:51:00 UTC
Remove all ships, just keep the pods..............Big smile
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#69 - 2012-07-16 08:54:12 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Remove all ships, just keep the pods..............Big smile


yea, pod PEW PEW ... that woudl be cool ...

no really , i hate Tengu ... so do not remove it, let duchebags fly it even MOAR Cool

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#70 - 2012-07-16 09:36:36 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:

...

Also: Lokis are Tengu natural predator, therefore Lokis are overpowered, nerf them ! Lol


This^
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-07-16 09:48:53 UTC
I'm an Amarr pilot 100% and even I'm cross-training for Tengu/Missiles. If I'm doing that, there must be something wrong with them! Bear
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2012-07-16 14:26:23 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
I'm an Amarr pilot 100% and even I'm cross-training for Tengu/Missiles. If I'm doing that, there must be something wrong with them! Bear


Absolutly.
Crosstraining from one race with a missile based lineup to another race with a missile based lineup is bad, poinless, a waste of time and should be prohibited.
Its not like some Caldari and Amarr Ships share the same weapons. There is also no line of pirate ships that need both Caldari and Amarr ship skills.
This is a clear sign of the Tengu being overpowered. Thank you for enlightening us.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#73 - 2012-07-16 21:50:15 UTC
Victoria Sin wrote:
I'm an Amarr pilot 100% and even I'm cross-training for Tengu/Missiles. If I'm doing that, there must be something wrong with me! Bear



Here I just fixed this stuff 4U.

If you think you can't do wit lazers what you think be able to do with missiles, you're doing it wrong. Amarr are probably the most balanced race and ship line in Eve. Now if you're killing Guristas rats with your Legion, ok, fair choice.


brb
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-07-16 22:10:48 UTC
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
I don't really care about Tengus. I'd just like it if legions could be something other than what amounts to either a curse with more buffer and no range bonus, two harbingers taped together or a sacrilege that costs 4 times as much.


I'd fear much faster to get in the face of a Legion than a Tengu, probably because I know how weak Tengu can be if you do it right.

Does Legion need a little bit of dps boost? -yes
Does Legion needs to shoot crap at 100km fit decent tank/speed and still capable to active rep cap stable like Tengu? -yes

But this is what all other T3's are in need of more or less to become as versatile as Tengu is, not the other way around because it would be stupid and bad for the game.
They all need to be able to fit as decently as Tengu for same roles but let me all remind you Tengu Hybrid sub is jut an awful troll.
So no Tengu is not good at everything it's supposed to do and at what it excels is at several billions cost most other T3 pilots are not willing to put in their ship.

-Legion can't shoot as far as Tengu but for sure has better short range weapons and a much higher Tank, hell higher is just the first name.
-Loki is probably the second best T3, decent dps/range with arty, excellent in AC armor or shield perma mwd/large shield booster and natural Tengu predator, should it be nerf then?

-Proteus, the well known "in your face" big balls pile of HP, welp can't shoot crap at 100km neither or decently fit 250's by the way and drone sub imho despite new drone mods some seem to love so much, I still think it's not what it should be for a T3 drone ship. But hey, spits 1400dps with 3 billion fit, why doesn't everyone uses them? -c'mon it's silly, why not use 1400dps ships instead of Tengus (lol dps)?

Because they're all different and each of them is absolute master in what it does best. The only difference is that Tengu can field some other roles better than all other T3's and this needs a take a look upwards and not downwards for everyone benefit starting for the game it self.

brb
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#75 - 2012-07-16 22:20:04 UTC
Mercury Alar wrote:
if u want to run mission ,fly tengu


Or basically any T1 Battleship in the game (cheaper to boot). Most T2 Cruisers work fine as well.

Quote:
if u want to get DED in high/low sec even in null sec(ninja) ,fly tengu


Tengu can't go into a lot of high-sec DED sites, 1/10 and 2/10 are restricted to Frig and Destroyer respectively. 3/10s work with basically any cruiser and 4/10s probably go fastest with a BC. Admittedly a Tengu is probably better than a BS for 5/10, but T3s are explicitly exploration boats, deal with it. Cool

Null sites that can be ninja'd by a 2bn Tengu can also be ninja'd by a 30m Stealth Bomber (bonus: with a probe bay!)



What I'm saying here is that the Tengu/Drake is far from your only option for PvE. Admittedly, T3s in general are much more outright superior most other things in w-Space, but that's mostly because that's what they're specifically designed for.
Annabell Ood
Ood Mineral Resources Management
#76 - 2012-07-16 22:27:09 UTC
yes YES
the Tengu must die .... a ship that OP for pve is just stupidShocked
Zyella Stormborn
Green Seekers
#77 - 2012-07-17 00:15:13 UTC
If this was all done as a troll, it was masterfully done! 4 pages and still going. Roll

There is a special Hell for people like that, Right next to child molestors, and people that talk in the theater. ~Firefly
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#78 - 2012-07-17 20:38:10 UTC
Voith wrote:
RavenPaine wrote:
Typhoon
Armageddon
Vindicator
Machariel
Tempest

Sleipnir
Astarte
Nighthawk
Drake
Cyclone
Hurricane

Stabber Fleet
Rupture
Loki
Zealot
Pilgrim
Ishtar
Vagabond
Cynabal

Harpy
Enyo
Dramiel
Vengeance
Ishkur
Wolf
Thrasher

All are multi-use ships. I'm sure I missed some.

You're dumb.

Let me know when "Wolf Fleet" is a doctrine of a major alliance. Or Any other of those ships you listed other than Drake and Tempest.


Ummm don't Goons have that Rifter fleet doctrine?
Caitlyn Tufy
Perkone
Caldari State
#79 - 2012-07-18 05:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Caitlyn Tufy
Zyress wrote:
Ummm don't Goons have that Rifter fleet doctrine?


They do. Well, not exactly a fleet doctrine (as far as I'm aware :p), but they do use Rifter noobies quite regularly. The primary striking power of the Goons, though, lies in high alpha Maelstroms and in Drake support fleets. Why?

Because:
- it's easier to replace standardized equipment
- they have the economy to support full replacement programs
- it's easy to train into

A Rifter fleet doctrine will work, but not for a major null sec Alliance. In fact, it would probably make a perfect doctrine for a smaller high sec miner alliance, because it also doesn't require much combat training, it's **** easy to replace and you deny your pirate enemies a decent killmail while still presenting enough danger to their best ships. More importantly, nobody will cry over a few hundred thousand isk lost in one ship - and if they do, they should seriously consider finding a new game.

Anyway, point is, that's what Voith doesn't understand - you can take virtually any ship in the game and use it in your fleet doctrine - the problem is having economy to support it, because some ships are simply too cost prohibitive to mass spam or do not provide cost efficiency. It's all about the isk you can afford to lose before you crack.
Takeshi Yamato
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2012-07-18 07:52:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Takeshi Yamato
The Tengu missile subsystem gets a 100% dps bonus.