EVE General Discussion

I see we have different ideas of what P2W is.


To me, P2W is when something can be purchase with RL money that gives the purchaser an exclusive (meaning only those who pay can get it) advantage. Once transferred, the advantage of that payment is gone, just as if it had been used.

Thanks, but I own many billions and I used a PLEX I had redeemed just to post on this forum. I played for a little more than a month to achieve this, I don't need extra accounts and the last thing I need is your advice.

Good thing that he's not doing that, then, but rather uses the normal definition.

If paying doesn't give you any advantage over those who don't pay, it's hardly P2W.

Wow talk about scrambling to justify your position and failing horribly. That's actually painful to read, not because of bad grammar or anything like that, but because it's like watching a guilty person trying to argue their innocence but incriminating themselves with every appeal. With one last feeble appeal of sheer desperation before being hauled off to their fate.

Hulks are combat hulls looking for fights.



Numbers win the fight, and those numbers are dictated by how many alts each side is willing to field, from compulsory alts like many static scouts and a few offgrid boosters which require ZERO interaction except looking at the client they're run on, to ongrid alts that require very little interaction and do not impede your overall effectiveness. Orbit an anchor, stick remote rep, ecm/eccm.
And for actually fighting alts, how hard is it to warp a battleship at 0, lock and F1 F8? Are you physically challenged?


This game isn't self-contained, as the staggering amount of meta going on proves. Why don't you accept the meta that a welfare loser with a crap computer has a clear disadvantage?

Do you have a problem with that? Are you a communist or what?

So? The argument was that ISK provides direct advantages. It doesn't, as the latest crop of Hulk whines show.

…none of which equates to “payment”. And if give that little attention to your on-grid alts, they will not live up to their true number anyway, so all you're paying for is less efficiency. Hardly P2W.

No, I fully agree: losing is not hard at all.

The only meta that comes close to being similar is picking your reinforcement timers to match whenever the opposing players aren't awake (barring any alarm-clock CTAs).

Sure. Half the team being multi-boxed alts means you're no longer talking about “equal skill level”, though… you've rather downgraded the efficiency and effectiveness of that contingent.

Hulks are combat hulls looking for combat. Therefore it's proper to bring them into an argument about an engagement pitting fighting ships against fighting ships. You are right.

Could you gank an alt-remote repped faction tanked hulk by the way?



Scouting alts, offgrid boosters alts are free to buy, fund and run on free computers, which means they do not require payment as you say.
It's really hard to be efficient when all you've got to do is orbit, press a few keys, and warp out when the dude running the scout alts tells to gtfo. Requires pro skills.




Spying, scamming by pretending to be a cool dude in out of game comms -with alts- are not meta I guess.

But then again, do you have a problem with welfare losers having a disadvantage?
Are you a commie? Only a commie would resent this meta.

Often more numbers can give an advantage, depending on the engagement type. However if watching a fight where 50 pilots are in 50 ships VS. 10 pilots multi boxing 50 ships, my money would most assuredly be on the group that has an actual pilot in each ship.

If you took it to the extreme and had (all other things being equal) the 50/50 team vs 50 pilots trying to multi box 250 ships my money would still likely be on the 50/50 team, and I would insist on watching how hilariously bad the battle went for the multi boxers. The more you multi box the more mistakes happen exponentially, especially in a hectic PVP situation. Very, very few pilots can PVP effectively while multiboxing with even 2 or 3 characters.


As far as using an alt to scout with, while it might be fine to have an alt scout sitting in a system near you as a simple set of eyes for defensive purposes, very few FC's of an active and moving fleet like it when their scout is multi boxing. Your scout is a vital component of your fleet and the pilot needs to be paying full attention to what he is doing at all times.

I'm not honestly sure where you are going with that last question, we are discussing what is and is not pay to win in EVE... a game that by default gives you 3 pilots per account.

Team A and Team B are each made of 10 players
5 of team B players control 3 alts each, 5 of those alts are static scouts/offgrid booster, the other 5 are fighting ships requiring little micro (snipers for example, warp in lock all and change target when it's down)
Team A has no alts, but has a fleet of 30 FRIENDS ships coming to help...which will be spotted by the static alts

Guess who will do the most damage, then break off and dock?

Why do private (i.e. funded by donation) DAOC servers expressively forbid buffing alts?