Warfare & Tactics

What if we don't want it either?

At first I was excited: "YAY! Amarr will make a comeback! We'll have targets again!"

And then I was sad: "Oh, they just wanna farm LP and move on to boring NullSec F1 warfare. Bah."

After playing both FW and nullsec sov and goodfights warfare...I never truly understood why the FW guys think that their pvp is so much more interesting. I guess there is more contact with targets in FW due to cramming them all into one region. But I never found the "quality" of the pvp to be any better. In FW you sit on buttons and do nothing for 10 minutes, in nullsec you sit on a pos and do nothing for 10 minutes.

I can certainly say that Nulli's Panic Geddons require much more thought and fleet discipline than any roaming gang. Same with any alliance's logistics...something you don't even see in FW except on a few rare occasions. To be quite honest, FW was fun, but I prefer nullsec. If I just wanted to run around and kill stuff, an attitude fairly prevalent in FW, I'd just go play battlefield or one of the numerous games that are much better at that. Nullsec has that running around and killing, but throws in geopolitics and a lot more general strategy. To each his own though.

I can say this though; Nulli is no amateur at small gang roams, and they will dominate any fleet battles. If they stick to their plexing strategy and maintain their normally very good participation they have a damn good chance at this. I think that if any progress is made, the minmatar plexing alts will create amarr plexing alts and if that happens, I think they'll be able to do it.

One key thing I think Nulli need to do is NOT take systems one by one. They need to contest entire constellations, maybe even more than that, and then flip them all at once. Otherwise I don't seem them overcoming it.

Well there's two things wrong with your post.

You compared FW PvP to NullSec PvP, stating that NullSec PvP was "better".

To support this, you made some reference to plexing and logistics trains.

Here's the two problems with that:

First: Sitting on a button for 10 minutes to cap a plex is not PvP except in the most loose usage of the term.
Second: Logistics chains also are not PvP except in the most loose usage of the term.

Confirming that FW is space Vietnam.

I can't help but grin (technically, grimace since I hate the fw sov is ruled by the run away and farm alts) every time I see a Caldari militia guy complain about a stabbed farming frigate that doesn't want to fight - welcome to the gallente militia for the last few years. You guys talk like swarms of frigates that don't want to fight is a new development in fw. At least you've got drams instead of no gun merlins and the incurses need to fit tank instead of stabs.

There's always the first decision - would we even all agree that we wanted to get out of the burning building :)

You guys have always claimed this, I'd almost venture a bet in saying I travel through Gal back systems more than most Gals do and usually when I see guys plexing (prior to LP cash cow) I usually just saw guys whom normally PVP. Not random noob alts speed tanking plexes. (of course everywhere is filled with them now)

The problem most of you gals have is you are usually incapable of bringing a proper ship to fight what you find in a plex. You guys almost always go overboard then wonder why the guy in the plex warped off and your only thoughts is to assume he was some speed tank alt.

Half the time if one of you does mange to show up to a fight "alone" You will only show up if you are in a ship that is a clear win vs what ever has been reported. The other half of the time it's the oh I'm solo PVPing with my booster alt..

It's pretty much always a given that people like your self will never undock with out having your Loki booster tagging along. Really I have nothing against you, but honestly do you really wonder why someone might choose to warp away from what "might" look to be a fair fight, except they already see your personnel Loki booster in system?

Your KMs are from last month.. well after the farmville FW expansion was release. We all know there are farmers everywhere now, but you try to make it sound like it's always been this way, when it hasn't been. I'm sure there were stabbed Merlins in the past but there sure as hell were a lot of stabbed Atrons coming from the gal side as well.

You act as if it's only Caldari that has pulled this stuff when you guys have a long history of doing it as well.

Here's a few things wrong with YOUR post:

1) I didn't say nullsec PvP was "better", I said I preferred it and then said, "to each his own". Thanks for putting words into my mouth.

2) Logistics chains? Not sure what you're talking about. I didn't use the term. Feel free to elaborate.

3) Plexing is inherent to the faction warfare PvP dynamic. Just like structure grinding is inherent to the nullsec PvP dynamic. Neither act is explicitly PvP; but both are used to further PvP goals and generate PvP fights. I'd argue plexing is not as effective in that design as it's nullsec counterpart, something I think we can all agree on.