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Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#61 - 2012-07-16 17:26:24 UTC
Cpt. Rella,

while I acknowledge your expression of feeling unable to verbally respond to the musings of Cpt. Azaph in an adequate way, this doesn't mean that your quite dull call for someone to embrace your wish to have someone shooting at you turns any sharper. I'm quite sure that you will come to realize - if you use your capacity to think -, that even after your militia having conquered the remaining 3-4 systems you speak of, the Empire will still be there.

So, get back to the war games you like so much and leave reasoned debate to those capable of, well, reason.

Faithfully,
N. Mithra
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#62 - 2012-07-16 17:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Or 'to put it more colloquially': **** off you honorless, bloodthirsty trollop. You could at least be diginifed in victory instead of coming here to mock people for expressing themselves. And here I thought members of Electus Matari held themselves to a higher standard. You, however, demonstrate yourself to be just as stupid as the common Minmatar mercenary out for cheap Stabber Fleet Issues and the chance to offend more people through murder.

Next time I see you on the battlefield I would be more than happy to fry the grin off of your disgustingly smug face in Tamiroth's place. Next time stay on Kamela station long enough for my Apocalypse to get a lock instead of running at the first hint of danger.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#63 - 2012-07-16 17:52:42 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
To put it more colloquially; less QQ and more pew, pew.
Battle experience is an useful thing to have. Perhaps, a tech 1 frigate 1v1, ms. Rella? I can visit Pator, or wherever you EM live, for your convenience.
Tamiroth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#64 - 2012-07-16 22:12:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Tamiroth
Update:

Our little dispute with ms. Rella was settled through a honorable duel, despite an attempt by the CONCORD police to interrupt it. I had a long range fit with MWD, while ms. Rella chose a blaster/scrambler Incursus, so the outcome was more or less predefined, but yet I consider this a valuable experience. After all, not every day you have a honest dogfight with an enemy ace without 30 friends of his waiting to jump in.

Thanks for the good fight.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#65 - 2012-07-16 22:34:36 UTC
Mithra, I don't really care what you think, thanks. Call me whatever you like.

Shutaq, undock with less than 2 carriers next time and we'll see. Really, 2 Archons??

Capt. Tamiroth it was a true pleasure to meet you. I give you credit for having the courage of your convictions, unlike your mewling compatriots. You truly have a warrior's heart and I apologize to you for my statements earlier. Too bad the Khanid and Matari are on opposite sides of this conflict. I humbly salute you.

When the world is running down, you make the best of what's still around.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-07-17 02:24:53 UTC
Tamiroth wrote:
Update:

Our little dispute with ms. Rella was settled through a honorable duel, despite an attempt by the CONCORD police to interrupt it. I had a long range fit with MWD, while ms. Rella chose a blaster/scrambler Incursus, so the outcome was more or less predefined, but yet I consider this a valuable experience. After all, not every day you have a honest dogfight with an enemy ace without 30 friends of his waiting to jump in.

Thanks for the good fight.


Anabella Rella wrote:
Mithra, I don't really care what you think, thanks. Call me whatever you like.

Shutaq, undock with less than 2 carriers next time and we'll see. Really, 2 Archons??

Capt. Tamiroth it was a true pleasure to meet you. I give you credit for having the courage of your convictions, unlike your mewling compatriots. You truly have a warrior's heart and I apologize to you for my statements earlier. Too bad the Khanid and Matari are on opposite sides of this conflict. I humbly salute you.


It is good to see this level of honor and respect even among enemies still exists. Though neither of you know me personally, you have both gained merit from my perspective. It is good to see that such principles and strength of character are not lost entirely.

~Malcolm Khross
Nuran Mukadder
Chor Aurea
#67 - 2012-07-17 03:00:45 UTC
Nicoletta Mithra wrote:
If there's a lack of meaning in ones life, then it's because one failed to provide the proper amount of room for God within it, Cpt. Mukadder.


We agree then that only through the Light can meaning and bliss everlasting be achieved.

But the focus of my comment was something much more fallible and inconstant, the human heart; thus, the need of constant vigil and commitment to one's beliefs.

While some of us may have a natural and early connection to the divine, i daresay that most need to discover the numinous. How many devotes had an epiphany when the words on the Holy Scriptures stopped being just sentences typed by scribes of ages long past, and start being the living work of God? How many suddenly opened their eyes, feeling a connection to the rest of creation?

What where they before that? Impious creatures? I cannot say i believe so. But it wasn't their moment yet; one need first to learn the true sense of the divine. And i believe that only through the eyes of the inner child can the numinous be achieved, with innocence and wonder - and the absolute trust in the Light.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#68 - 2012-07-17 12:36:05 UTC
Ah. The usual chest beating, testosterone driven capsuleer contests at work, for those unable to defend their ideas with something else than violence. Probably one of the poorest and unefficient method to achieve anything. It never leaded anywhere and never will.

But sometimes it seems that some people simply cannot understand it otherwise.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#69 - 2012-07-17 12:47:55 UTC
I'm afraid you seem to misunderstand on a fundamental level, Farel.

It is not "chest beating" and "defending ideas through violence" that this was about. There is such a thing as having the conviction and courage to act upon your words. A coward may use hostile and biting words but never have the courage to face his opponents directly. Hostile words change nothing but actions can change the course of the future.

In this instance, both Rella and Tamiroth were courageous enough to support their words and viewpoints with actions and they gained respect for one another because of this courage, even if they continue to be enemies by principle and ideal. An adversary you can respect is one whom has the integrity and courage to act upon their convictions.

~Malcolm Khross
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#70 - 2012-07-17 13:57:00 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:
I'm afraid you seem to misunderstand on a fundamental level, Farel.

It is not "chest beating" and "defending ideas through violence" that this was about. There is such a thing as having the conviction and courage to act upon your words. A coward may use hostile and biting words but never have the courage to face his opponents directly. Hostile words change nothing but actions can change the course of the future.

In this instance, both Rella and Tamiroth were courageous enough to support their words and viewpoints with actions and they gained respect for one another because of this courage, even if they continue to be enemies by principle and ideal. An adversary you can respect is one whom has the integrity and courage to act upon their convictions.


I never said otherwise. Miss Tamiroth choosed the right course of action and made Ms Rella look like a fool for her words, for which she apologized.

And in the case that you might insinuate that I should do the same, I am ready to come in space and prove all guns blazing that I am not afraid of "backing up" my words, for what it is worth, and what it proves (nothing at all).

Do you ask your CEOs at the CPD to settle their differences and arguments with a brawl ? I do not think so. The only thing it proves is your physical or piloting abilities, not your intelligence or ideals.

I am afraid that you, actually do not understand what I was pointing at. It is not by shouting at people discussing politics to "come in space instead and shoot each other" that it will solve anything.

I can show you the sheer stupidity of such reasonings :

"To put it more colloquially; less QQ and more pew, pew. "

Is stupid beyond words. I am pretty sure that the Amarr Empire thought the same way before Vak'Atioth.

"I flew through the heart of Amarrian high sec the other day and yelled in local "Death to slavery!" passing through Kor Azor Prime and Amarr Prime while surrounded by 24 IC "warriors" yet, none would engage me."

Why would they engage her ? Because she is yelling insults in local ? How trite. Who cares ? Hurted egos ? What dangers does she presents in enemy high security space ? I can assure you that she would have started to threaten any passing vulnerable ship of the crusade in key points like Niarja gates, people would have considered it otherwise.

But, if she actually did that before yelling taunts and insults everywhere, then the Crusade is really in a bad shape, indeed, and that would not surprise me.
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#71 - 2012-07-17 14:01:32 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:

And in the case that you might insinuate that I should do the same, I am ready to come in space and prove all guns blazing that I am not afraid of "backing up" my words, for what it is worth, and what it proves (nothing at all).


First, you may wish to take a step back and calm yourself. My response to you was not one of hostility and there is little reason to suggest that you should come and engage me in combat.

Lyn Farel wrote:

Why would they engage her ? Because she is yelling insults in local ? How trite. Who cares ? Hurted egos ? What dangers does she presents in enemy high security space ? I can assure you that she would have started to threaten any passing vulnerable ship of the crusade in key points like Niarja gates, people would have considered it otherwise.

But, if she actually did that before yelling taunts and insults everywhere, then the Crusade is really in a bad shape, indeed, and that would not surprise me.


I think we are still on a misunderstanding, Farel. I completely agree that hurling insults in local chat in an attempt to instigate a response is petulant, at best. I was not suggesting otherwise. The focus of my statement was that the concept that two enemies could respect one another for their willingness to engage one another on honorable and fair terms was not "chest beating" or lacking in merit, nothing more.

~Malcolm Khross
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#72 - 2012-07-17 14:07:58 UTC
Malcolm Khross wrote:

First, you may wish to take a step back and calm yourself. My response to you was not one of hostility and there is little reason to suggest that you should come and engage me in combat.


I wrote that merely as a safeguard against the (probable) incoming answers. It was not written under annoyance or anything emotion driven that you suggest, really.

Lyn Farel wrote:

I think we are still on a misunderstanding, Farel. I completely agree that hurling insults in local chat in an attempt to instigate a response is petulant, at best. I was not suggesting otherwise. The focus of my statement was that the concept that two enemies could respect one another for their willingness to engage one another on honorable and fair terms was not "chest beating" or lacking in merit, nothing more.



Oh yes, I have absolutely nothing against the ensuing answers. Chest beating happened before.
Halete
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#73 - 2012-07-17 14:09:13 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
Shutaq, undock with less than 2 carriers next time and we'll see. Really, 2 Archons?


Fascinating.

Allow me a moment to speak against my fellow Minmatar.

Earlier, you touted your mindless militia conflict against these people because you're 'winning' and then just as quickly turn around and whine at Aldrith's willingness to show up with a superior force. Surely these are your enemies, why should they not commit their entire power to destroying you?

This only reinforces the idea that the militia wars are a game.

"To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin" - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#74 - 2012-07-17 16:06:11 UTC
It seems we understand one another then, Farel. Good, I do hate misunderstandings, especially when they're pointless ones.

~Malcolm Khross
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#75 - 2012-07-17 17:14:26 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
It [violence] never leaded anywhere and never will.


I disagree. Violence and naked aggression, throughout history, has directly solved more conflicts, and achieved the best results, more so than any other method.

It's the best, most simple, and dare I say elegant way we as humans have of directly solving our problems.





Sabik now, Sabik forever
Nuran Mukadder
Chor Aurea
#76 - 2012-07-17 17:49:12 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Lyn Farel wrote:
It [violence] never leaded anywhere and never will.

Violence and naked aggression, throughout history, has directly solved more conflicts, and achieved the best results, more so than any other method.


While i define myself as a pacifist at heart, this is a universal truth; the price for peace is always paid in blood.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#77 - 2012-07-17 18:47:23 UTC
Wrong or inaccurate words were used. Violence shows results. I still do believe that it is rarely the best solution but it often works. I apologize, for that it would make me a hypocrite since I too, resort to violence from time to time.

What it brings, though, is consequences. A lot. But people that always resort to violence are generally too short sighted to understand that fact.
Ciar Meara
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#78 - 2012-07-18 07:50:12 UTC
With the one true God on our side none of the unbelievers can withstand us. Time is on our side, indeed.

- [img]http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/janus/ceosig.jpg[/img] [yellow]English only please. Zymurgist[/yellow]
Lyskal Oskold
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2012-07-18 09:34:18 UTC
If the slaves were released and the fighting stopped we could focus on the Minmatar people themselves and remove our bloodthirsty, Gallente influenced government and forge our own, working towards a brighter future for all Minmatar.

I don't dislike people due to race or affiliation. I'll proudly fly against enemies of the Minmatar in the name of honor and valor. I even had a nice exchange of words with someone who has spoken in here after his powerful laser weapons penetrated my pod's hull and had me lying naked on a cold metal floor covered in that odd substance before I was completely aware what happened.

I'm not the brightest, or most skilled pilot around, but I feel the call and I heed it to protect my people. Maybe with an injection of compassion and empathy the skirmishing could end and a peace could be achieved...

However I've been pondering. If the Amarr God truly is real, but he keeps forcing everyone into constant conflict, maybe he isn't testing faith. Maybe he is keeping us sharp. We're effectively holed in this portion of our galaxy. Who knows what horrors may be approaching?

I haven't skimmed through any religious material since before my capsuleer training, but it's an ominous thought.

"Love is just a chemical, no matter the origin. We give it meaning by choice." - Eleanor Lamb
Malcolm Khross
Doomheim
#80 - 2012-07-18 12:26:03 UTC
Lyn Farel wrote:
Wrong or inaccurate words were used. Violence shows results. I still do believe that it is rarely the best solution but it often works. I apologize, for that it would make me a hypocrite since I too, resort to violence from time to time.

What it brings, though, is consequences. A lot. But people that always resort to violence are generally too short sighted to understand that fact.


On this, we agree entirely.

~Malcolm Khross