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ISD Tyrozan
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ISD Alliance
#21 - 2012-07-16 14:37:07 UTC
The topic, "When Will Special Characters Be Allowed in Names", has been moved from General Discussion to Features and Ideas. - ISD Tyrozan

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Private Pineapple
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-07-16 15:30:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Private Pineapple
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Private Pineapple wrote:
Tesal wrote:
Imagine trying to autolink those characters. Many ppl wouldn't be able to.


This is the issue here. In WoW it was very problematic to even reach out to anyone who had a single special character in their name. However, since CCP already has a search system why don't they count a special character as the corresponding normal character in the alphabet in the search results? For example, Han Solo and Hän Solo would show up next to each other on an "results as exact string" search for "Han Solo".


Go try and code that. It'll be fun, I promise.


Implying this is hard to do... all you have to do is look up the range of all possible special characters by looking at what's allowed in the name field in the character creation part of the game. The special characters allowed by the name field should only resemble actual letters, they shouldn't be symbols such as ¥. Then, depending on the programming language the search module is written in and how it's designed, you have it convert all special characters into their corresponding alphabet letter. (personally I'd do this by editing whatever part of code that is supposed to check if X string is equals to Y string).

á
à
â
... etc will convert to 'a'.

Not hard, but probably tedious just like most trivial programming tasks. However, it can all be done trivially in a day's work.

It's even easier if you have full control over what's permitted by the name field. From there, you can set realistic limitations, such as only 3 special characters for every possible alphabet, for example. From there we have 3x3x26 = 234 possible special characters that need to be converted to a normal letter on the fly for the purpose of search result comparisons.

Whoop dee doo... 234 is nothing.

The only downside of this is that it will affect search result performance, but that is to be expected when you need to run conversions on the fly.

However, there is another approach which avoids conversions on the fly that would require more database space rather than longer time to get search results:

Simply make a new trueName field for every character that has ran the conversions for the name. For example wherever they store the string "Hân Solo" for the actual character Han Solo, there would also be another field called trueName that says "Han Solo" <--- note the missing symbol over 'a'. This trueName would then be used by the search engine.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-07-16 15:51:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
Private Pineapple wrote:
Tesal wrote:
Imagine trying to autolink those characters. Many ppl wouldn't be able to.


This is the issue here. In WoW it was very problematic to even reach out to anyone who had a single special character in their name. However, since CCP already has a search system why don't they count a special character as the corresponding normal character in the alphabet in the search results? For example, Han Solo and Hän Solo would show up next to each other on an "results as exact string" search for "Han Solo".


Grrr how about no.

It's already a problem now when I want to search for a character named exactly "John Doe", I put that exact name in the search box, and I get "Doe John", "Mr John Doe", "John Doe Junior", "John 'Zehnter' Doe" and 30 other random results. (Yes that's with "Limit search to exact term" checked. Without it it gives over 100 results, and the exact match isn't even on the first page.)
Y'nit Gidrine
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-07-16 16:51:19 UTC
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Griffin Omanid
Knights of the Zodiac
#25 - 2012-07-16 17:25:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Griffin Omanid
Would it be possible if the program translate all special caracters into simple latin letters, and then mark them somhow. For example "ä" becomes "ae", "ß" becomes "sz". Because all of these special characters are just shortages for a group of latin letters, which are often used in a specific language. And I´m sure that a lot guys want to use these characters for their own avatar.

But please don´t just make an "ä" to an "a", I know that Native English Speaker tend to do so. It is not the same letter. And this way would also blow up a lot of searches for names, like Abdiel Kavash wrote.

Edit: It would be like in Latex-files, where all of these special characters can be written like "\ae" which is an "ä" or "\Ae" which would be an "Ä"

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Asm Khurelem
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#26 - 2012-07-16 17:48:15 UTC
Lucy Ferrr wrote:
Terrible terrible idea. This just opens the door to all sorts of impersonation scams, which are against the EULA.

I do think they should go through and wipe any trial account that wasn't activated after say 6 months or so. I can't even begin to imagine how many good names are taken up by a trial account that is never going to be active again.

This deserves its own thread.
Amenotep Polo
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-07-16 18:16:08 UTC
I got an idea for OP there:

>Find more creative names.

Do you know how many Darth's, Vader's, skywalker, Solo's, Battousai's, Gohan's etc there are?

It saddens me to see that everyone would rather imitate than innovate.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#28 - 2012-07-16 18:43:21 UTC
The fact that CCP allows you to post, means we have enough special characters already. Blink

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