EVE General Discussion

Ok seems ccp wants to clean up everything up as of late

Great

Eve online is by fair the most in depth complex and wonderfull mmo i have ever come across

So heres my question what do you belave should be made more simple for new players to understand & why

And at what point as a player do you belave things become so easy its no fun

tys =)

WoW is an example of making an MMO more simplistic as it gets older. Not an example to follow imo. Although in WoW it has character levels they make it easier and quicker to level as they add expansions so that it does not take any longer to reach the end game where most of the new content usually is.

For me if something in a game becomes too easy it becomes pointless. As for fun that can be different for different people.

I've only been back for several hours and the changes I have seen have been ok, they seem to have made a few things easier, but they have been welcome changes so far.

Easier to use does not necessarily mean the game is any easier, just that it's more efficient to use.

This. the UI for EVE is improving which makes it more functional. but its not going to have button that blows up that gate camp in Passari, you still have to avoid that with your own brain.

i'm firmly against making the game easier. look at wow as to why it's a bad reason, also the learning curve in this game isn't that hard if you're willing to do a bit of reading and ask a few quesitons. trying to do every thing yourself and you'll probably get stuck but... playing solo in an mmo? doing it wrong much?

These threads make me smile.

EVE is a lot less complex than people tend to claim, it has an in game browser that lets you look up, on how to beat the odds,

When you fly in a fleet your FC tells you how to fit your ship.

When you fly solo or in less disaplined fleet you look up your fit on the battle clinic, or if you're adventurous in the EFT.

Oh and when someone beats you by non conventional warfare you go crying on the forums that ships are OP, EMC should be nerfed, AFK Cloaking should be nerfed ect, ect.


Eve's combat system is quite simple and predictable actualy and has little to do with being complex, in many ways Wow is a lot more complex when fighting npc's

That said.

EVE is a complex game because of the number of options it has game wise, not because the UI is hard to sort out, It's complex and has dept because of it's economic system, it's physics system (items can't be telleported from one place to an other, but need to be brought there) and the fact that players can influence these.

Just because we're using windows these days instead of DOS didn't made the computer less complex.


So please make user interface as user friendly as possibble, that has nothing to do with becoming WoW as long as the economic system and the industry isn't simplified.

Why haven't I won?

Maybe you should look at the idea is behind a Sandbox.

I'll give you that that line is poorly written, my comparisation was ment as WoW NPC's to EVE NPC's

As for PvP


You can make it as complex for yourself as you want, but almost any set up done in eve work exactly the same in any other combat PvP situation.

Blobbing, stealth, brawlers, tanks are hardly EvE only terms, they will work everywhere, that leaves the players wits, and those will be exactly the same in any other game.

Tactics are almost the same Everywhere not unlike real life where warfare tactics are still copied form Alaxander the Great and Julius Ceasar.

As said before EVE complicity isn't in it's combat, but it's economical system, its physics system and players that are able to manipulate that.

I may have to play this WOW game just so that I can understand all the comparisions between it and Eve.

Eve is an example of complexity for complexity's sake.

Try explain Eve aggro/session mechanics to a normal gamer, and they'll laugh in your face. It's not that they can't learn, most people just won't even try to understand something so arbitrary and downright stupid.

Some things should be complicated, others simple. Complexity done right adds content. Complexity gone wrong drives away players.

I wish this post could be taped to the desk of every game developer.

DEPTH is awesome. Complexity is more complicated :) Fittings and ships are DEEP, but not complicated. Aggro mechanics are just plain stupid and full of loopholes easily abused.