EVE General Discussion

In a typical FPS there is equal ground on paper. The original analogy posted by Viktor is far more appropriate. In an FPS everyone dies, and thus everyone respawns. Spawn camping gives those who are on the defending side little chance of recovery. It is an unfair fight because mechanics are tilted in the favor of the camper. Much like Hi-Low transitions, but worse due to paper skill differences.

Oh it's easy to get through a gate camp if you only want to play the frigate or covertops game. Don't we want better ships coming through except by mistake?

Open borders, choke points anyways.

And can't ppl defend their null except through camping. Then do it.

I disagree, there is no such thing as gradual risk in EVE. You don't lose "part" of your ship, it's all or nothing. There are bright lines seperating high sec from unprotected space, either one must stay in protect space OR make the modifications/adaptations needed to venture somewhere else. Some how making some "gradual risk" mechanic is in fact dumbing down the game.

The game is open to exploration for anyone willing to make friends or learn how to fly.




I hate that whole "skill" fallacy. Very little in eve require "skill", lots of things require intelligence, patience and the ability to make friends.

I fail to see how making the game easier on noobs somehow increases "skill". If you want to increase noob skill, make them solve a math problem before being allowed to jump into low sec lol.



Hundreds of thousands of actual human beings have learned how to live, survive and thrive in EVE online, once again, if a person can't figure out some very simple things about the EVe life (and Gate Camps are part of that life), they should be playing something more forgiving, like Star Trek Online.

It's not that "old players" don't want anyone else to play the game, it's that veteran players have paid their dues to gain the rewards that come with old age (lol, my oldest eve Char is 5 year old).

If I can learn the game, they can too. Stop asking CCP to make things easier.

You do realise the player in transition is cloaked. Giving him ample to time to load and assess the situation on the other side, right? Now I'm not entirely sure where you point on fairness really stands. If the players not equiped to handle a camp why is he jumping into losec unscouted and unprepared?

Players are using teamwork to camp a gate. Why should players be excused from requiring teamwork to break said camp?



I read and understood that clearly. It just so happens that my stance doesn't differentiate between the two.




The barriers really aren't that hard. You just need to acquire friends to bring along.

edit- I don't mean to sound harsh. But the real issue here is teamwork. Improving player interaction in lowsec/nullsec shouldnt come at the expense of easing solo play. This is an MMO, these things require teamwork.

Not at the expense of the spirt of the game. EVE IS HARSH, if we wanted easy we'd play a themepark game.


This is one of the things that makes EVE not for everyone. It isn't just a game about mindless fun, it's a game where the fun comes from confronting and defeating severe adversity (mainly in the form of other players who would like nothing better than to feed on your tears). Mindlessly jumping into lowsec and getting killed is such adversity.

Is it really that hard to make 1 friend or make an alt account with 1 char that can fly a noob ship to scout?

Not asking CCP to make things easier. I am asking them to put RISK on the side of the gate campers. Instead of camping a gate and mindlessly playing whack-a-mole, let them scan down their prey. Make them get off their security blanket of abusing the gate jump mechanics and actually engage someone who is ready for a fight. Whats the problem, you don't want to be shot back while camping? Stop trying to twist this into some kind of "I am awesomer conversation, get skills".

It is pathetic how gate campers want to sit in a low risk area and shoot fish in a barrel that cant shoot back as easily. Hiding behind the "dont make it easier" is laughable. I want it to be HARDER on the gate camper because they have little risk.

HARDER, not easier.

The risk on both sides is equal. The campers risk a prepared gang jumping in and taking them out just the same as the jumper risks jumping into a prepared camp.

The sheer amount of idiots playing peekaboo into dangerous systems is irrelevant to the difficulty of camping a gate. I agree it's not hard to camp a gate. But neither is it hard to break a camp.

edit- bolded important bit.

There are usually safer routes, less travelled if you bother to check. You might have to go the long way around though. *gasp*

By now you have found all the pixel macho assholes

And yes, everyone understands that gate camping hurts PvP more than it provides PvP.

The problem is how do you defend a system you want to control if everyone can get past the gate?

It is an enigma.

Lowsec gate camps are often kitchen sink fleets that are loosely put together and have little leadership. A decently organized fleet can break them up.

A nullsec gate camp in somone's sov however is a bit harder to break up.


I however agree with OP that CCP should take action and dumb down eve even further.