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Bacchanalian
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#21 - 2012-07-15 21:34:00 UTC
Wrayeth wrote:
Lt Pizi wrote:
best match sofar ...
was like when the thoraxes rushed the bob team back then

That was exactly what I was thinking. Great job to Rote Kapelle, and hi to all of the folks I used to fly with back when we were all in Star Fraction. \o


WRAYETH! ♥

Drop me a line sometime!

And a lot of us from the BoB fight are in on this year's tournament team in some facet or another.
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#22 - 2012-07-15 21:36:35 UTC
Confirming this. Adding this to the list of awesome fights we've won over the last half-decade.

Glory

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Matthias Duran
Perkone
Caldari State
#23 - 2012-07-15 21:44:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Matthias Duran
If I understand the somewhat confusingly written rules:

If Rote wins, RvB wins: Rote and RvB advance.
If Rote wins, RvB loses, with Rote getting more than 89.5 points next week than RvB: Rote and PL advance
If Rote wins, RvB loses, Rote gets less than 89.5 points more than RvB (for example, RvB earns at least 36): RvB and PL advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote score greater than 39 points more than PL: Rote and RvB advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote fails to score greater than 39 points more than PL: RvB and PL advance

Kill it with Fire cannot advance.
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#24 - 2012-07-15 21:47:28 UTC
Saved the best for last, amirite. I think if we win play that match 10 times, we win 4 or 5 times. Still, a good showing from Rote. Looking forward to the surprising RvB next weekend.

~
Zerge Bacon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2012-07-15 21:51:59 UTC
Clearly the group of death with so many great fights coming out of it.

Here's to an epic finale to the group stages next week against PL!

gf's to all today.

When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk. ~The Ugly
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#26 - 2012-07-15 21:52:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Grath Telkin
Matthias Duran wrote:
If I understand the somewhat confusingly written rules:

If Rote wins, RvB wins: Rote and RvB advance.
If Rote wins, RvB loses, with Rote getting more than 89.5 points next week than RvB: Rote and PL advance
If Rote wins, RvB loses, Rote gets less than 89.5 points more than RvB (for example, RvB earns at least 36): RvB and PL advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote score greater than 39 points more than PL: Rote and RvB advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote fails to score greater than 39 points than PL: RvB and PL advance

Kill it with Fire cannot advance.


Right, if we win Saturday we're through no matter what i think, because then the same deal would apply to RvB that we're currently in with Rote where it doesn't matter how many points we have because in a w/l tie in the bracket personal match losses are considered before points. So Rote beat us, so it doesn't matter how many points we have, in a w/l tie we lose to them because we lost a match to them, if we beat RvB we'll be in the same position there only in reverse, where RvB will have the same w/l record as us but have lost to us so they'd lose by default regardless of points.

Its like some crazy wizardry and its entirely possible that either me or soundwave are wrong.

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Zerge Bacon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#27 - 2012-07-15 21:56:25 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Matthias Duran wrote:
If I understand the somewhat confusingly written rules:

If Rote wins, RvB wins: Rote and RvB advance.
If Rote wins, RvB loses, with Rote getting more than 89.5 points next week than RvB: Rote and PL advance
If Rote wins, RvB loses, Rote gets less than 89.5 points more than RvB (for example, RvB earns at least 36): RvB and PL advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote score greater than 39 points more than PL: Rote and RvB advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote fails to score greater than 39 points than PL: RvB and PL advance

Kill it with Fire cannot advance.


Right, if we win Saturday we're through no matter what i think, because then the same deal would apply to RvB that we're currently in with Rote where it doesn't matter how many points we have because in a w/l tie in the bracket personal match losses are considered before points. So Rote beat us, so it doesn't matter how many points we have, in a w/l tie we lose to them because we lost a match to them, if we beat RvB we'll be in the same position there only in reverse, where RvB will have the same w/l record as us but have lost to us so they'd lose by default regardless of points.

Its like some crazy wizardry and its entirely possible that either me or soundwave are wrong.



Would be great to get a official reply on what's what here....

/me begins summoning dev

When you have to shoot, shoot, don't talk. ~The Ugly
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#28 - 2012-07-15 21:57:34 UTC
yea it makes my brain hurt trying to do all those crossings

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Lt Pizi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2012-07-15 21:59:53 UTC
Grath Telkin wrote:
Matthias Duran wrote:
If I understand the somewhat confusingly written rules:

If Rote wins, RvB wins: Rote and RvB advance.
If Rote wins, RvB loses, with Rote getting more than 89.5 points next week than RvB: Rote and PL advance
If Rote wins, RvB loses, Rote gets less than 89.5 points more than RvB (for example, RvB earns at least 36): RvB and PL advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote score greater than 39 points more than PL: Rote and RvB advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote fails to score greater than 39 points than PL: RvB and PL advance

Kill it with Fire cannot advance.


Right, if we win Saturday we're through no matter what i think, because then the same deal would apply to RvB that we're currently in with Rote where it doesn't matter how many points we have because in a w/l tie in the bracket personal match losses are considered before points. So Rote beat us, so it doesn't matter how many points we have, in a w/l tie we lose to them because we lost a match to them, if we beat RvB we'll be in the same position there only in reverse, where RvB will have the same w/l record as us but have lost to us so they'd lose by default regardless of points.

Its like some crazy wizardry and its entirely possible that either me or soundwave are wrong.


imo you canot advance against rote cause you lost
if you beat rvb they canot up caus you won
rote canot go up vs rvb caus they lost ...

mondboggling, doesnt help ive a few glasses offine red wine =)

some eve ppl clarify pls

Goon Tears are best tears, because they're 25% alcohol by volume!
Grath Telkin
Amok.
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-07-15 22:06:27 UTC
Lt Pizi wrote:
Grath Telkin wrote:
Matthias Duran wrote:
If I understand the somewhat confusingly written rules:

If Rote wins, RvB wins: Rote and RvB advance.
If Rote wins, RvB loses, with Rote getting more than 89.5 points next week than RvB: Rote and PL advance
If Rote wins, RvB loses, Rote gets less than 89.5 points more than RvB (for example, RvB earns at least 36): RvB and PL advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote score greater than 39 points more than PL: Rote and RvB advance
If Rote loses, RvB wins, Rote fails to score greater than 39 points than PL: RvB and PL advance

Kill it with Fire cannot advance.


Right, if we win Saturday we're through no matter what i think, because then the same deal would apply to RvB that we're currently in with Rote where it doesn't matter how many points we have because in a w/l tie in the bracket personal match losses are considered before points. So Rote beat us, so it doesn't matter how many points we have, in a w/l tie we lose to them because we lost a match to them, if we beat RvB we'll be in the same position there only in reverse, where RvB will have the same w/l record as us but have lost to us so they'd lose by default regardless of points.

Its like some crazy wizardry and its entirely possible that either me or soundwave are wrong.


imo you canot advance against rote cause you lost
if you beat rvb they canot up caus you won
rote canot go up vs rvb caus they lost ...

mondboggling, doesnt help ive a few glasses offine red wine =)

some eve ppl clarify pls


Yea you would think in a situation where every team nullifies every team with the internal win rule, and they all have a w/l tie points are the only deciding factor thats undistorted so that should be the end factor.

Will not be shocked if wrong, nor butthurt, our bracket turned out to be the most competitive

Malcanis - Without drone assign, the slowcat doctrine will wither and die.
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#31 - 2012-07-15 22:12:09 UTC
The /official rules/ on the tourney site state that Wins/Losses decide who advance. Tiebreakers are done based first on points.

From http://community.eveonline.com/en/tournament/tournament-info/format
Quote:

These 32 teams will be divided, at random, into 8 groups of 4 teams.Within each group, teams will fight "round robin" to determine the top two teams in each bracket. (Round robin means that each team in the group will fight each other team in the group once).Team rankings will be determined by Win/Loss/Draw and then by total points scored.


So for PL to advance, PL need to win AND score 69 points.
If PL lose, Rote would have to lose as well for PL to advance.

~
Sakura Nihil
Faded Light
#32 - 2012-07-15 22:12:16 UTC
Chaos Kapelle, generating content for discussion by experts since 2008 Cool.

Glory

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Namamai
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-15 22:23:02 UTC
Whitehound wrote:
No. Would have been a great setup by PL if they had to face somethign else than projectile weapons. Any blaster, laser, missile or jamming setup would have gone down against PL.

Just bad luck.

Congrats Rote Kapelle. Awesome job!!

Sorry, bud -- those enyos were packing 500dps apiece, and the Ishkurs around 400dps. (Shield tanked gank, 6% hardwires, the whole nine yards.) The Enyos alone did as much DPS as all three Sleipnirs, when they could fire.

Irony is, we decided this morning to go from a full rack of Neutrons to Ions+nos. Ended up saving our bacon :D

Epic GF, PL. On to the next match!
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#34 - 2012-07-15 22:41:59 UTC
Namamai wrote:
Sorry, bud -- those enyos were packing 500dps apiece, and the Ishkurs around 400dps. (Shield tanked gank, 6% hardwires, the whole nine yards.) The Enyos alone did as much DPS as all three Sleipnirs, when they could fire.

Irony is, we decided this morning to go from a full rack of Neutrons to Ions+nos. Ended up saving our bacon :D

Epic GF, PL. On to the next match!


yea there had to be a lot of dps, made it look like them bhaalgorns were paper tanked Shocked

getting the logi first seemed like a great call, but with that much dps still up.... just ouch

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Faffywaffy
Fremen Sietch
Evasive Maneuvering.
#35 - 2012-07-16 00:57:56 UTC
Just speculating

[tinfoil]
PL could've lost the match against RK on purpose so that they can (being the last to play) choose whether to finish 1st or 2nd in their group next Saturday, possibly avoiding/delaying a tough matchup until as late as possible in the tournament. Their setup really didn't look very strong, and all the expensive ships could just be there to minimize the chance of them being accused of throwing the match.
[/tinfoil]

Pure speculation with no evidence on my part, of course.
Valoche Mrehl
Tactical Grace.
Vanguard.
#36 - 2012-07-16 01:57:17 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Just speculating

[tinfoil]
PL could've lost the match against RK on purpose so that they can (being the last to play) choose whether to finish 1st or 2nd in their group next Saturday, possibly avoiding/delaying a tough matchup until as late as possible in the tournament. Their setup really didn't look very strong, and all the expensive ships could just be there to minimize the chance of them being accused of throwing the match.
[/tinfoil]

Pure speculation with no evidence on my part, of course.



Clearly collusion on the part of PL. Guess we should tear that statue in Amamake down as punishment, amirite? (and booted from tourney, ofc)

Mother Amamake dont like no PL graffiti near her begonias. (begonias in this case are not flowers... )
Gobbins
Pandemic Horde Hld.
Pandemic Horde
#37 - 2012-07-16 02:03:11 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Just speculating

[tinfoil]
PL could've lost the match against RK on purpose so that they can (being the last to play) choose whether to finish 1st or 2nd in their group next Saturday, possibly avoiding/delaying a tough matchup until as late as possible in the tournament. Their setup really didn't look very strong, and all the expensive ships could just be there to minimize the chance of them being accused of throwing the match.
[/tinfoil]

Pure speculation with no evidence on my part, of course.


this guy seriously
Elise Randolph
Habitual Euthanasia
Pandemic Legion
#38 - 2012-07-16 02:24:40 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Just speculating

[tinfoil]
PL could've lost the match against RK on purpose so that they can (being the last to play) choose whether to finish 1st or 2nd in their group next Saturday, possibly avoiding/delaying a tough matchup until as late as possible in the tournament. Their setup really didn't look very strong, and all the expensive ships could just be there to minimize the chance of them being accused of throwing the match.
[/tinfoil]

Pure speculation with no evidence on my part, of course.


Alternatively we could have just won, thrown the Saturday match, and SD'd enough points to put any other team we wanted in. But I mean your elaborate and less successful variation that makes us seem badass is good, too.

~
Cedo Nulli
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2012-07-16 02:35:42 UTC
Am I the only one sick and tired of sleipnirs sleipnirs and more sleipnirs ?
Proxay
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#40 - 2012-07-16 02:40:25 UTC
Faffywaffy wrote:
Just speculating

[tinfoil]
PL could've lost the match against RK on purpose so that they can (being the last to play) choose whether to finish 1st or 2nd in their group next Saturday, possibly avoiding/delaying a tough matchup until as late as possible in the tournament. Their setup really didn't look very strong, and all the expensive ships could just be there to minimize the chance of them being accused of throwing the match.
[/tinfoil]

Pure speculation with no evidence on my part, of course.


Much as we could argue their deviousness and such, I doubt Pandemic Legion would bring 130bn worth of ships to 'throw the match' for a slightly better match up in the next stages.

They're likely to have brought that to decimate our 'finesse' teams.

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