Jita Park Speakers Corner

True, it might get a bit choppy if they have allot of stuff they don't want the players to hear. Its just a suggestion. I would think some sessions woudl be easy to kick out (like perhaps the ui) others maybe not so much.

The extra work really has nothing to do with the NDA. The NDA has this mystique about it - many players thinks that we wave it like a red cape to deflect charging bulls, others think its what CCP uses it to protect its super secret skunkworks plans about the next button to add to the UI that players would rage if they knew existed - but really its much simpler. The NDA covers the stuff that would damage the company - stuff like release dates or pricing that they wouldn't want competitors to hear. I've seen how the sessions have gone through the review process, and the NDA has been used primarily to delete several words here and there, or a sentence at the most. It's not once been used to black out an entire conversation, or to censor a particular topic. If it was discussed at all during the summit, it was recorded.

The reason the minutes are longer, is because of the transparency the players are asking for. You wanted to know who said what about a particular topic, and breaking down conversations in this manner, even to get the main ideas across in each dialogue, takes a lot more words. We avoid the minutia of people talking about the schedule for the rest of the day, or what's for lunch, or who they're waiting on to come back from a bathroom break. So no blah blah.

But you are going to hear some detailed conversations about how exactly to adjust a particular feature, and who wanted to see it done this way or that way. That's what we heard everyone wanted to hear, for accountability's sake as well as to sharply focus player feedback onto the specific direction CCP wants to go with a feature.

I personally think this is a huge step in the right direction, we'll see how this works out for the community. There's nothing to say we can't further iterate on the minutes process for the winter summit. I'm sure there will be no shortage of suggestions on how to make them even better, you'll just have to read them first and see what you think.

Greater transparency sounds fantastic to me, and I keenly await the opportunity to read about your lunchtime menu discussions

And if they don't do it right away, and if they do change anything, then it proves that the CSM are a useless PR trick populated wholly by 0.0 alliance puppets who are in it purely for a free trip to Iceland.

I'm sure the minutes will be better than in the past. They could hardly be worse than when we had "the csm" suggested x and we didn't even know who on the csm suggested what and therefore had to read third party blogs to find out.

But at least for me, in faction war, so much has changed in the last few months its hard for me to even rember what sort of back ground you had going into that summit. I have a hunch much of what I am interested in, will be old news.

Just a suggestion. Maybe next time when you meet take care of preliminary stuff like who you are waiting for and where the next meeting will be and then after that is done, just start a recorder to get the meat of the discussion. If the person in charge of minutes writes down the times where pricing and release dates (or anything else possibly nda related) came up the editing should be easy. If you have a 3 hour session going through and deleting out release dates or pricing stuff shouldn't be that hard to do right after the summit. No big deal.

You could have an mp3 of the minutes in a week or 2.

This is not a complaint, its just a suggestion to make it easier on you guys. I have done things similar to minutes and I know what sort of headache it can be where people are trying to read them and remember back weeks ago - let alone months.

The issue would be that if someone wanted to know what happened at the summit, they would either have to watch 24 hours of video or rely on someone else to do so.

I have asked for stuff like this in the past, and I don't think CCP would be willing to do it.

Two step:
Put out the different sesssions in seperate mp3s. You are dividing the minutes into about 20 different catagories so its the same thing. Like I said, I would just listen to a few sessions on topics I am interested in. I think very few would watch 24 hours of it, just like few will read all the minutes. People will just read/watch what they are interested in.


Hans:
As far as not wanting to be public I'm not sure that would be an issue. I mean the people who are in the session from ccp are announced. So we know who it is communicating from ccp at these sessions from reading the minutes. If something happened that was just embarrassing that could be cut.

Again I don't really care. I'm just trying to be helpful. The process just seems way more burdensome than it needs to be.

THE WORD IS "MOOT". It's a MOOT POINT. MUTE MEANS "SILENCED OR UNABLE TO SPEAK". IT'S A DIFFERENT WORD ENTIRELY.

Spread the word.

gah how much longer!

^THIS^

We complain that CCp takes so long to get anything done and our own player reps take months to write someting out, i'ts not like they even have to invent the content IT"S THERE ALREADY. Just bloody type it out spell check that **** and release it.