Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you make something that is spontaneous, dynamic and playerdriven into something structured, rigid and artificial you are bound to water it down imo. It's the difference of stumbling upon a wild animal in the forest and go to the zoo to watch it in a cage.

CCP-spokespoeple use to tell us about how eve is a player driven universe, by the players for the players. How they are merely bystanders and that we create our own game. This suggesstion is in direct contrast with that mindframe. You take something that can be organized by the players and make it a feature, initiated, "owned" and controlled by CCP (much like how genuine player driven conflicts was imitated in an artificial way when FW was introduced).

It's nice that you choose to respond to the "fluff" sentence of my post instead of the ones with actual content and arguments :)

It's not instancing because the arenas would be in a constant state of play. You can enter at any time and leave at any time, and stay for as long as you want.
Matches will not end or begin, they will just continue to progress.

The only thing that limits the ship sizes is the accel gates themselves.

This doesn't take away from the pvp of low/null/wh pvp, it simply just allows high sec dwellers to have a place for secure pvp that is still risky, but not able to be taken advantage of like low, null, wh pvp where blobs can come in at any time.

What you say is true but given that we have an outspoken vision of how CCP percieve this game and where they want to take it and since this sugesstion is in contrast with that vision – the camp that argues NOT to implement arena PvP has the upper hand in the discussion.

If we establish wether or not CCP should cater to the WoW-crowd and make EvE a game lika any other MMORPG OR if they should stay the course and keep it niche – then we can have a discussion about this because instanced, controlled, "safe" PvP is a step in the direction of toning down the uniquenes of Eve.

The way I look at this is that it is player driven.

CCP would create the general "arenas" but it's up to the players to actually fill the arenas.

These arenas will basically be low sec pockets inside high sec.


There is also a major benefit to this that no one else is seeing.

If These becoming popular reguardless of the fact that the risks are just as great as pvp'ing in low sec, will possibly suggest to CCP that the current pvp system in low/null/wh needs to possibly be tweeked in a way that gets players involved more.

I hear tons of pvp players complaining about how others don't want to get involved, so it limits the amount of pvp encounters they can find.

This system would give them somewhere to find pvp combat the way they would like to in low/null sec.

The risks you take in one of these arenas is just as great as being in low sec.

You can lose your ship, you can be podded, and a fleet of players can jump in a clear the arena if they wanted to.

The only thing the arena does is slightly reward the players that are somewhat good at pvp, keep them from having to search for the pvp, and allows players to pvp without the threat of capital blobs.

But the main thing is, if this becomes popular, it may help CCP to find a way to restructure low/null/wh and possibly FW so that they fit a similar build to the arena.
If they're able to balance these to be similar to the arenas, then the arenas won't be needed anymore. Players will just be able to go into low sec to get the same style pvp.

I think the main factor that will make these arenas more popular is the lack of gate camps, since the accel gates will warp you into random spots in the arena, but it's something the system would help CCP to notice.

How about instead of making them arenas, make them an entire system that you have to speak to an agent to get into, and only certain size ships are allowed into the systems.

Just freaking no. The biggest problem atm is neutral remote repping without any risk at all.

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1) No, this does not effect the spontanious combat aspect of low sec, because it is not in low sec.

2) We've established already that there are risks, you're still gonna lose your ship, you can still be podded. Read all post before you decide to stick your nose in it.

3) Troll

4) The only rule of this is you have to be in the pocket to be involved, other than that, it's basically a low sec dead space pocket in high sec.

5) What in the hell are you talking about?

6) Still a troll

7) Well, you have the option of staying in low sec where everything is dead, or going into one of these "arenas" where you can actually do some pvp.

8) If you don't like bunny slippers, snuggies, and coco, you can stay where you're lacking pvp, hating life, and complaining about the risk reward factor, ie low sec.

9) How would it create more isk generated from pve? It's not even related to pve...

10) Yes, you did mention you were a troll

11) The bounties earned in arenas are no where near the value of merc'ing someone. Not even close. Plus, killing someone in an arenas with their own bounty from other players wouldn't pay out. You have to kill them outside the arenas to get the big bounties.


Here's some more food for thought......

1) Low sec dwellers complain all the time about high sec dwellers having all reward with little risks through mining and lvl 4 missions, yet they rarely stop to look at the fact that "everyone can go into high sec"...Ahh!!! What's this? You mean, everyone can do the same thing instead of bitching about it? Correct. If you have too low a sec status that's your own fault. You decided to go into low and blow people up. But you can go rat and run lvl 5's to get your sec status back up.. Crazy I know, and even if you didn't want to do that, you can make an alt to stay in high sec and run mission to fund your low sec alt....What? That's such a good idea it's stupid!!!

2) You low sec pvp'ers sit here and constantly complain about how low sec is dieing and less ppl are getting involved in pvp, yet ya'll never notice that most of this is caused by gate camps. Then, when someone does suggest that gate camps are causing the issue ya'll defend it and say "No, gate camps are a valid part of eve." Which basically means "We wanna change low sec without having to change low sec." making yourselves sound like all these protestors complaining on wall street and what not about all the things wall street and the government are doing wrong, yet if they hadn't done anything they'd be complaining about that. If you're gonna wine reguardless, then just go wine and don't make it about something that you would have wined about if it had not changed.

3) With these arenas there a lot like both comment 1 and 2.
How it ties to one. You have the oportunity to come and get involved in these as well, so complaining about how you can't get pvp and the risk reward factor isn't in low sec, maybe you can come to high sec and have easy to find pvp arenas and rewards.

How it ties to two. Then, maybe CCP will notice what is working in these arenas and restructure low sec to match... That way it's easier to find pvp, and pvp might be rewarding besides killmails, but then again that would be possitive change for low sec, and we all know low sec dwellers want change without change. Basically, they don't want low sec to change, they just want everyone forced into low sec so they can blow them up.


Quit complaining about my post and start makind lagitimate post of your own. I'm suggesting ideas whether you think they're good or bad. Which could possibly help the Eve community.

All you're doing is trolling the forums looking for something that doesn't directly benefit you to bash.

FO AND GTFO.

This is a sandbox game. We already have the means to do what you want, but you want it regulated and controlled by CCP. That is a terrible idea. Get some people to regulate it. Have them in pvp ships ready to destroy anyone that enters your little "arena" to mess with it. Wow. Your own personal security.

Seriously, there are so many ways this could be implemented BY PLAYERS with current mechanics.

Trolling removed. Zymurgist