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Hi Sec POCO?

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LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#1 - 2012-07-15 13:57:12 UTC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSkyXzzCwvM&feature=plcp . Skip to 2:00

Its a good idea. Lets do it CCP!
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-07-15 14:05:46 UTC
Not sure some will like to see high sec POCO tax raised to 50% or + Lol

brb

LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#3 - 2012-07-15 14:19:24 UTC
If they don't like it then War-Dec and get it back.Twisted
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#4 - 2012-07-15 14:19:43 UTC
The tears from toothless industrial corps would be massive.

[/sarcasm]

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#5 - 2012-07-15 14:27:04 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
The tears from toothless industrial corps would be massive.



I don't think so, this would only be a massive boost to low/null sec PI industry. POCO's can bring you huge amounts of isk from taxes but those need to be worthwhile and high sec planets are the worst for this.
POCO it self is very expensive, then keep it can easily turn it in to an isk nightmare, but if you don't intend to keep it and just want to mess someone's isk yes this is a great idea ^^
To make this worthwhile to fight for CCP needs to bring different mechanics for high sec POCOs and planets.

brb

LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#6 - 2012-07-15 14:27:05 UTC
Nyreanya wrote:
The tears from toothless industrial corps would be massive.


Why yes, yes they wouldBig smile
Bully Hedro
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-15 14:28:54 UTC
Perhaps POCOs in 0.5 thru 0.8 and keep 0.9 and 1.0 NPC owned as currently.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-15 14:35:39 UTC
LoBlo Fet wrote:
Nyreanya wrote:
The tears from toothless industrial corps would be massive.


Why yes, yes they wouldBig smile



Not sure once again dude, Null sec planets literally vomit PI no one buys over there or very little because everyone can do whatever amount it needs, so the exceeding production is already sold in high sec for a much higher profit even when you factorise transport fees.

Again, this is only a massive boost to null sec/Wh PI producers and will change absolutely nothing for the high sec industrial alt corporation from whatever big alliance. Small industrials will still buy those materials at same cost than now (after a few weeks).
The only ones that are going to really make huge profits from this are those station sitting clicky market bots masturbating themselves for 0.1isk wars

brb

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#9 - 2012-07-15 14:38:17 UTC
If this happened, I would expect some low and null corps to run rampant through HS to get all the POCOs and set them for max tax. Then when they get war decked, they steamroll the opposition (either through numbers or more experience).

This is just as bad as adding moon mins to moons in WHs (without a revisit to the mechanics first).
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#10 - 2012-07-15 14:38:45 UTC
No.

Empire is empire. Its ruled by empires. Who use concord as proxy.

The MOST I would be willing to see is turn the CO into factional, rather than concord, and then subject them to standings issues like with stations.

But people forget in all their nullbear vs carebear BS that this game has two worlds with a frontier between them: one in which money is what matters (which funds fleets needed to get sov), the other in which sov is what matters (which is funded by highsec activity). Lowsec is the PVP of null without the sov issues, but with FW.

So its a distinct game. Only people who play all three truly appreciate why this is awesome, like having three games in one.

Starting to create sov in highsec is a step in the sleepery slope into turning empire into null with mechanic set pvp rules. Which is flattening the game and making it essentially the same everywhere.

POCOs in Highsec no. Overhaul the idiotic taxation system in place? Perhaps.

If you want a POCO go put it were you have to defend it, rather than trying to use it as an isk printer.

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LoBlo Fet
Terra-Formers
#11 - 2012-07-15 14:43:05 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If this happened, I would expect some low and null corps to run rampant through HS to get all the POCOs and set them for max tax. Then when they get war decked, they steamroll the opposition (either through numbers or more experience).


And?
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#12 - 2012-07-15 14:44:36 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
If this happened, I would expect some low and null corps to run rampant through HS to get all the POCOs and set them for max tax. Then when they get war decked, they steamroll the opposition (either through numbers or more experience).

This is just as bad as adding moon mins to moons in WHs (without a revisit to the mechanics first).



Yeah, I have been seeing for a long time this tendency of people wanting features from highsec in nullsec and viceversa, without giving any thought to the domino effect it would have in gameplay and fun.

Null is null for a reason, highsec is highsec for a reason.

Stop whining about it people!


NOW... WH space still hasn't matured as much as it should, it still has a beta feel.

However, while I liked your comment, I do not think Moon mining would be so nefarious, after all most t3 fleets are in null, and they require massive amounts of WH stuff to be made, and we dont see what you describe. And yes, I am saying that t3 stuff is at the same tier as moon goo.
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#13 - 2012-07-15 14:44:56 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
No.

Empire is empire. Its ruled by empires. Who use concord as proxy.
…except that POCOs are already available in empire.
Crunchie Attuxors
Always Another Corporate Venture
#14 - 2012-07-15 14:45:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
No.

Empire is empire. Its ruled by empires. Who use concord as proxy.
…except that POCOs are already available in empire.


Not in highsec. Sorry if that was not made clear. Lowsec is a transitional area, with hybrid elements, including FW sov.
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YuuKnow
The Scope
#15 - 2012-07-15 16:37:56 UTC  |  Edited by: YuuKnow
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
If you want a POCO go put it were you have to defend it, rather than trying to use it as an isk printer.


That's a hypocritical statement. As it is now, HiSec PI is a 0 risk Isk printer. There was no reason for CCP to even introduce PI into the game if it wasn't going to be dynamic player-to-player interaction. Otherwise its just free isk to loners that don't want to play with anyone else. They should have done this a long time ago.

yk
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#16 - 2012-07-15 19:48:48 UTC
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
Not in highsec. Sorry if that was not made clear. Lowsec is a transitional area, with hybrid elements, including FW sov.
Roll Lowsec is as “transitional” as highsec is — i.e. not at all. It's just an area with its own set of rules and peculiarities. It's also empire space, so the argument that it doesn't make sense to have POCOs in highec because it's “empire” means there should be none in lowsec either.

Quote:
If you want a POCO go put it were you have to defend it, rather than trying to use it as an isk printer.
So… in highsec, in other words? There's nothing that says you don't have to defend it there, and it won't magically become an ISK printer there any more than it is anywhere else (in fact, highsec POCOs would only make PI less ISK-printing than it already is).
Zowie Powers
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2012-07-15 20:25:20 UTC
How many Tornados would it take to drop a hisec poco suicide gank style?
Who has that kind of cash?
Who has that many pilots?
Who would have the nerve to do it?

ATX: The best of the rest.

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#18 - 2012-07-15 21:00:59 UTC
YuuKnow wrote:
Crunchie Attuxors wrote:
If you want a POCO go put it were you have to defend it, rather than trying to use it as an isk printer.


That's a hypocritical statement. As it is now, HiSec PI is a 0 risk Isk printer. There was no reason for CCP to even introduce PI into the game if it wasn't going to be dynamic player-to-player interaction. Otherwise its just free isk to loners that don't want to play with anyone else. They should have done this a long time ago.

yk

PI is not an ISK printer. It is actually a very useful ISK sink. At least in HS.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-15 21:13:28 UTC
Zowie Powers wrote:
How many Tornados would it take to drop a hisec poco suicide gank style?
Who has that kind of cash?
Who has that many pilots?
Who would have the nerve to do it?



Another question to add is, how much cost that POCO and how much WILL cost to keep it with so low PI value interest?

Everyone will exploit game aggression mechanics to be able to shoot that poco with a couple of friends using torp ravens, then there's timers and gaming TZ's, yes you can steal that POCO but again, maintain it will probably cost much more isk is ships loss than it will ever bring in taxes for such short amount of time.

It's probably a waste of time and manpower to run live this before new aggression system is live on TQ, at least as it stands right now and without any high sec planetary/poco changes (why should they?), doesn't seem to be any where close to interesting to even loose time setting some high sec POCO.

brb

Sheynan
Lighting the blight
#20 - 2012-07-15 21:23:59 UTC
I like this, they could add a max. tax of 20% or something to avoid total newbie PI breakdown, like a Concord law.

Then I'd happily have this anyday
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