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so BPC for clones now on SISI?
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Baljos Arnjak
Dark Praetorian Order
#21 - 2012-07-14 23:30:31 UTC
DarthNefarius wrote:
Patrakele wrote:
Better stock up them clones, expect prices to quadruple...


I hear to make clones the materials list a combo of Technetium, HI SEC Ice, & bacon. Bacon market along with all other non kosher PI items are being rapidly cornerd by goons after a DEV named "T20 the Second" dropped the BPOs into a drake drop.
And this is the real reason why Hulkageddon is now perpetual.

In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums


I lol'd. +1 for you =)
Garreth Vlox
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#22 - 2012-07-15 01:44:07 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?

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Dun'Gal
Myriad Contractors Inc.
#23 - 2012-07-15 01:58:48 UTC
Perhaps this will give me something to do with them corpses stinking up my hangar. Recycled into the bill of materials Big smile
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2012-07-15 08:51:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?


This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.

Which means that clones will be player-built.

Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.

Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.

Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.

Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.


It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.

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Danfen Fenix
#25 - 2012-07-15 11:26:41 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?


This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.

Which means that clones will be player-built.

Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.

Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.

Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.

Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.


It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.


This 'market manipulation' you're so worried about affecting newer players would never happen...otherwise people would have already done it on large scale with lower end items that are common for newer players to use P
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-07-15 11:45:08 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?


This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.

Which means that clones will be player-built.

Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.

Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.

Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.

Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.


It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.


That still wouldn't make this a case of Malcanis's law. What you describe is just a case where people want clone prices for high SP clones to be reduced and the end result ends up benefitting the vets just as intended. For Malcanis's law to apply the change would have to had been justified in the name of helping new players. This is clearly not the case, since the complaints have always been about old high SP characters having to deal with crazy clone prices.

Personally I think an item found in the database is pretty flimsy basis to start getting upset about anything. There are all kinds of items there, that have never been put in to the game. Clone production could also be something related to the avatar based gameplay or jump clones and not actually have much or any affect on the current medical clone mechanic.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#27 - 2012-07-15 13:15:14 UTC
The clone bpc could also be a Dust 514 thing. I remember a presentation at fanfest where a Dev said the goal for the defenders was to run the attackers out of clones before their base fell. That implies the attackers can get a supply of clones from somewhere.

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Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#28 - 2012-07-15 13:19:34 UTC
Rudgier Thorrin wrote:
DarthNefarius wrote:
In other news a new NEX faction Tinfoil Hat was released on SiSi which costs the equvalent of $100 and gives a 6% bonus to all likes on the forums


WTB: Tinfoil Hat II. Or a Caldari Navy one.



Psst....Fed Navy=same stats, lower price, different name.

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Hathrul
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-15 13:40:28 UTC
screenshot or didnt happen?
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#30 - 2012-07-15 13:41:51 UTC
Good point about them being implemented for dust (someone also rose it on page one) - I just hope they can be used by eve players just as well and have material requirements that actually make the higher SP ones cheaper.

On a side note, I consider the fact that all the premature whining comes from someone who appears to be mainly interested in the highsec PVE/CQ/dressup side of eve and thus, doesn't even need a lot of clones quite hilarious.

Dumbest blether I have read on these forums in quite a while - and yes - that's quite an achievement...

Some people just whine for whinings sake, I guess Roll...
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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#31 - 2012-07-15 13:51:57 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?


This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.

Which means that clones will be player-built.

Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.

Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.

Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.

Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.


It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.



Is this being presented or justified as "helping new players"? If not, my Law does not apply.

As it is, I approve of player-built clones. If you want to play a game where no one can "grief" you (ie: interact with you), then try Start -> All Programs -> Games -> Solitaire

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

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Hoshi
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#32 - 2012-07-15 14:26:58 UTC
If Quafe is not one of the building materials I am going to be seriously disappointed.

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Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2012-07-15 15:42:03 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
MeBiatch wrote:
Renan Ruivo wrote:
I just hope that they DON'T remove the NPC service. If they do, its pretty much a goodbye to pod expressing.


same here but i think CCP has learnt a good hard lesson about removing functionality... so hopefully you will have the base price in npc med bays...

but can have a dynamic price for ones bought and sold on market...

i would actually do PI if it meant i could turn biomass stuff into a new clone for me...


CCP learning WHAT?

See, it goes like this:

1- noisy minority whines to have their cloning cost reduced
2- upon months of whining, CCP developer designs a player-driven clone fix and presents it to CCP Unifex
3- CCP Unifex agrees, but thinks that it would be a waste to not use that new resource for everyone
4- CCP removes NPC clones so everybody uses the ""gorgeous"" market clones until noobs wonder why all Beta clones are worth 50 million ISk in their region
5- 3 years later CCP agrees that maybe they're losing revenue by allowing griefers to harrass noobs through clone market manipulation and "clonegeddon" ensues

Think the worst, make it utterly stupid, and then you will get what CCP may come to do about it. Roll



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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#34 - 2012-07-15 16:10:36 UTC
Danfen Fenix wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Garreth Vlox wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
So let me guess, now everybody will have to endure market attacks on the price of lower grade clones so bittervets can get their higher grade **** cheaper?


Did you even read what this thread was about before verbally puked all over it?


This thread is about BPC for clones in Sisi.

Which means that clones will be player-built.

Which means that there is a serious chance that NPC clones are removed.

Which poses a serious threat that griefers manipulate market to deprive the feebler of affordable clones.

Which means that a change to favor a tiny minority would end up being detrimental to the big majority of players.

Which is exactly what Malacanis law is about.


It is not my fault that you can't figure out that in 0.2 seconds as I did.


This 'market manipulation' you're so worried about affecting newer players would never happen...otherwise people would have already done it on large scale with lower end items that are common for newer players to use P


Clones are a bottleneck resource. It's not like they are the nth almost identical T1 module.

Also the art of prevention is to react based on what the opposition CAN do, not on what it MAY do. People may or may not abuse player-supplied clones. But then, why release a system that can be abused, when all you need is to allow Mr Ultra Skillpoints to build his own clone in his own POS while everybody else gets them from NPC?

Also, CCP may remove NPC clones or may not, but, why suppose they're gonna get it right when they've been messing things up since ever?

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