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Planetary Interaction in High-sec: Tier 3 production

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Ducem Kalgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-14 12:23:49 UTC
Dear friends, I need your advice in PI to produce Tier3 in high-sec with one planet. Is it possible?

I build a colony to extract the 4 raw materials that I need to produce the two Tier1/2 and then put them in an advance industry facility to produce the Tier3. However I have a very big problem with the MW of the C (I have the skill at level 4 and I am planning to put on level 5 is it is necessary).

My complexes to produce each Tier2 usually have: 2E, 2Basic, 1 Advance and a Launchpad/silo to buffer. The problem comes when I try to extract the necessary raw materials for a 23 hours cycle. In my planet I usually I need 11 extractor head units working at the same time to achieve the 6000 raw materials required for two cycles of a basic industrial facility. It gives 22 extract heads for the two complexes that I need to produce the x2 thier2 in my design.

Obviously , it gives me a MW over 19000. What I am missing? Is not possible to produce Thier3 in one planet without import/export? Is it possible to do that on high-sec?

Thanks a lot for your advices!!! P
porksbroer
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-14 15:29:54 UTC
you will need 2 toons to do what you want.

if you are going to train lvl5 pi stuff your best bet is to just train a pi alt to 4 and hauler

it would take the same amount of time ISH and you get more out of it
Ducem Kalgan
Perkone
Caldari State
#3 - 2012-07-15 10:52:38 UTC
Thanks for your answer.

I will move to train my alt in another PI manager Smile
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#4 - 2012-07-16 13:26:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pinstar Colton
You CAN do it on one character, though your factory planet will be idle unless you have a 2nd character supplying additional materials, or you are buying extras from the market and importing them.

This is assuming you are making a P3 that only requires 2 P2s... a Three-good P3 will certainly need a 2nd person.


I'll use robotics for an example. This is for a character with CCU IV and IC IV (5 colonies with level 5 command centers)

Planet 1: Extract Non-CS Crystals, process to Chiral Structures > Export
Planet 2: Extract Heavy Metals, Process to Toxic Metals >Export
Planet 3: Extract Noble Metals, Process to Precious Metals > Export
Planet 4: Extract Base Metals, Process to Reactive Metals >Export
Planet 5: Import the 4 P1 materials... process to their respective P2s(Consumer Electronics and Mechanical Parts)...and then process the P2s into Robotics on the same planet > Export


Again... your factory planet WILL be idle unless you feed it extra P1s...or if you live in null/WH and have insanely productive planets.

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Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#5 - 2012-07-16 15:29:51 UTC
Ducem Kalgan wrote:
Dear friends, I need your advice in PI to produce Tier3 in high-sec with one planet. Is it possible?

I build a colony to extract the 4 raw materials that I need to produce the two Tier1/2 and then put them in an advance industry facility to produce the Tier3. However I have a very big problem with the MW of the C (I have the skill at level 4 and I am planning to put on level 5 is it is necessary).

My complexes to produce each Tier2 usually have: 2E, 2Basic, 1 Advance and a Launchpad/silo to buffer. The problem comes when I try to extract the necessary raw materials for a 23 hours cycle. In my planet I usually I need 11 extractor head units working at the same time to achieve the 6000 raw materials required for two cycles of a basic industrial facility. It gives 22 extract heads for the two complexes that I need to produce the x2 thier2 in my design.

Obviously , it gives me a MW over 19000. What I am missing? Is not possible to produce Thier3 in one planet without import/export? Is it possible to do that on high-sec?

Thanks a lot for your advices!!! P


To do it all on one planet you only use 2 extractors and swap what type of material they extract. One week you do types A and B, next week types C and D.

You can have 2 basic and one advanced factory for doing the R0 to P1 to P2 and reprogram every swap, or have 4 basics and 2 advanced ( half of which will lie idle at any given time) and accept that you will have to run fewer extractor heads.

In both cases your P2 to P3 advanced factory will be working well under its maximum rate, wasting capability.

And to do this effectively, you really need to max out your command center upgrade skill.

Note that most people make P1 or P2 in high sec as you can do that with having little "wasted" capacity at any factory.

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Styth spiting
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-07-16 18:37:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Styth spiting
Ducem Kalgan wrote:
Dear friends, I need your advice in PI to produce Tier3 in high-sec with one planet. Is it possible?

I build a colony to extract the 4 raw materials that I need to produce the two Tier1/2 and then put them in an advance industry facility to produce the Tier3. However I have a very big problem with the MW of the C (I have the skill at level 4 and I am planning to put on level 5 is it is necessary).

My complexes to produce each Tier2 usually have: 2E, 2Basic, 1 Advance and a Launchpad/silo to buffer. The problem comes when I try to extract the necessary raw materials for a 23 hours cycle. In my planet I usually I need 11 extractor head units working at the same time to achieve the 6000 raw materials required for two cycles of a basic industrial facility. It gives 22 extract heads for the two complexes that I need to produce the x2 thier2 in my design.

Obviously , it gives me a MW over 19000. What I am missing? Is not possible to produce Thier3 in one planet without import/export? Is it possible to do that on high-sec?

Thanks a lot for your advices!!! P


The best way to increase your daily isk generation of PI is to create P1 goods. Creating P2 goods from P1 prior to exporting is fine as long as the additional factories do not effect your ability to get the maximum possible yield on each planets.

If you really want to do P2 production you will need to do 3 - 4 day cycles for each P1 good. So for 3 days extract P1 Mat 1. Then P1 Mat 2. Advanced factories will start up. In 3 - 4 days you switch back to P1 Mat 1 and repeat. You're first 3 days your advanced factory wont be producing anything, but big deal. You will also want 1 silo and 1 storage. This setup should allow you to have 6 basic, 3 advanced, so you'll be making 360 P2 per day.

Also do NOT import P3 goods to a factory planet to make P4. You're losses to tax will be insane (if in highsec / 10% + tax). For example to export/import 18 P3 required for 1 P4 (of the 6 P4's that use 18 P3) you'r basically wasting nearly 5 P3 goods (189,000isk).

The best solution is to export P1 goods, and import them into the factory planet. Then export the finished P3 for manufacturing (and again do not re-import for P4).

This is my factory setup. It will yield 22 P4 goods every 24 hours, Or 396 P3 goods. It can be constructed With Command Centers IV. The launcher can hold the 24 hours cycle of resources but can hold more if you're lazy (roughly 520M3 of freed space once factories queue up mats). Pretty easy to really, simply undock and drag extra mats into the launcher from customs office once every 24 hours, or whenever you undock to keep it running at full production. If you're importing P2 then your yield of P3 per day will be much higher obviously (something like 1320 P3 per day), you'll need to change the basic factories to advanced, so you may lose the total number of factories.


24h P3 and P4 factory using CC IV
Bugsy VanHalen
Society of lost Souls
#7 - 2012-07-18 15:57:06 UTC
I have found it quite easy to keep P2 planets running continuous in a 0.5 system. I have 4/4 skills and run 2 extractors s close to balaced as possible at just over 6000 units an hour. this keeps 2 basic factories running 24/7 which in turn feeds 1 advanced factory which runs 24/7.
Maybe i was lucky with the planets I found, but it seems very consistent in the area I do my PI in. There is a noticeable difference long term between 0.6 and 0.5 systems. I have 4 active accounts with 2 PI toons on each account. I normally make all the components needed for POS fuel, make the fuel I need to run my tower and sell the excess. But I did run right up to P4's for several months to make a stack of large POSes but simply making POS fuel seems the to generate a good return with minimal time invested.