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Ah, the Ostrich method of detecting wrongdoing.

It seems the only person trying to start something here is you. The rest of us here (CCP included) recognize that the ISD team made mistakes. Because of that recognition, they can improve their behavior, and it looks a lot like they're working on improving their behavior.

Yelling that they didn't need to change in the first place isn't constructive at this point. But hey, Authority is always right, huh.

Where there is smoke, there is usually also fire. vOv

You seem very fond of saying this. You know that people use this when they are 'trying to start something', right?
That leads me to the question, what are you trying to start?

http://eve-search.com and comparing every post in various threads. Have fun.

The second one. But I'm seeing less of it, and I'm seeing more attempts at interaction by the ISD team.

Which is excellent.

Think of the ISD team as a new set of boulders, freshly dropped into a river. At first, they dam it up entirely, but the river keeps pushing and the dam bursts. The boulders are no longer stopping up the river, but they're still able to affect it. At first, their rough edges cause a great froth when the river rushes past. After a while, they begin to smooth out. Eventually, they're polished and smooth, able to affect the river's currents with barely a ripple.

The bottom line here is the same as I posted 2-3 months ago when this concept of a volunteer moderation team was first floated: This new team is another potential meta-game tool that has immense potential to control the information on the Eve forums.

CCP can promise all they want that the volunteers will be total neutral and unbiased in what they information they censor and who they will eventually ban, but there is zero chance that the null sec zealots will not attempt to subvert this hugely powerful meta-game tool.

And with CCP standing by the statement that all ISD members will be anonymous, there is now way to prove that any power bloc has infiltrated the ISD team with a large quantity of "neutral" moderators.

CCP at the very beginning stated that if someone was going to be banned, they would not only ban that offending account, but ALL accounts held by the offender. Clearly, that means they are going to be using an IP address, or personal information when people set up the account to track the accounts of a target. Why can't they do the same due diligence on the ISD volunteers? It would not stop the sophisticated infiltrators from hiding their allegiances, but it would stop a lot.

Imagine a situation where the ISD members are anonymous, but CCP can easily collate how many ISD members have chars affiliated with certain power blocs, and those aggregate numbers can be posted publicly.

If CCP does not think that goons/CFC and the rest of the null sec zealots are not going to try to control this tool as they try to control every other tool in the game, CCP is well beyond naive.

ISD cannot ban people. All bans are done by CCP staff, so there is zero chance that any null sec zealots will be able to exert such an influence.



CCP have all the proof they need as to the affiliations of whomever they employ, they have already clearly stated as such. They have also clearly explained why volunteers remain anonymous.



Whoever said that they did not do the same kind of due diligence on the volunteers? CCP already stated that they check the main account of the applicant, along with any other connecting accounts. They also stated that they collect photographic identity from them as well, either in the form of a passport, ID card or drivers licence. Do you honestly believe for one moment that someone could bypass CCP's internal security checks in the game that THEY own?



As stated before, CCP would know exactly whom they were hiring.

I will attempt to find some relevant links for you, but perhaps in the meantime you may want to re-read some of the other posts in this thread, specifically ones from CCP staff.

Here's an article questioning ISD 'neutrality':
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/07/14/shooting-your-own-foot-atx-sisi-practice/
sort of off topic I guess from the forums allegations of abuse but still... it looks exploightable in my eyes in no smaller way then the goons FW exploight .
This is EVE & CCP should be aware that there are spys in ISD just like there are spies in every major alliance ( and many smaller ones) with thier own agendas.

It has been said somewhere here in the dev blog & forum that ISD CLL members can not impose forum bans. Forum bans can only be executed by CCP staff.




After reading the CCL dev blog once again I'am getting the impression, that excate those reason put down the first volunteer team in 2007.





Quite interessting story DarthNefarius http://www.evenews24.com/2012/07/14/shooting-your-own-foot-atx-sisi-practice/. Thanks for the link

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